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Laughably bad, actually, esp. if you cut your teeth growing up on Neuromancer, Snowcrash, etc. I honestly thought it was written by a teenager, the scene with t

by evo_9 9y ago

Laughably bad, actually, esp. if you cut your teeth growing up on Neuromancer, Snowcrash, etc. I honestly thought it was written by a teenager, the scene with the Ai's playing poker was when it went off the cliff for me. Philip K Dick's Electric Dreams, however, is worthwhile and a nice bookend to the new season of Black Mirror.

Fnoord 9y ago
I've only seen about 20 minutes of the first episode and couldn't enjoy it. I'd like to at least finish the first episode before I make judge for myself whether this one's worth my time (though I'm gonna first watch The Man in the High Castle). Generally though as a rule of thumb: Nice CGI doesn't make up for a terrible story, but a good story can make up for the lack of good CGI. E.g. I did not find the story good in the follow-ups of The Matrix. I fully underline your statement regarding PKD's Electric Dreams as well as all the Black Mirror seasons. Furthermore, let us not forget that several other of PKD's works have seen a movie adaptations. I can recommend Total Recall (both; watch older first), Blade Runner (both; watch older first), A Scanner Darkly (if you can stand the art style; personally, I loved it), Minority Report, and The Adjustment Bureau (Screamers was OKish). There are series adaptations as well. Check Wikipedia for all the adaptations [1] I'm not aware of any motion picture adaptations of Stephenson's or Gibson's works. Although I just found out via Wikipedia that the game Netrunner [2] is a derivative work of the Sprawl trilogy, and also The Matrix heavily "drawn" from the Sprawl trilogy as well [3]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_adaptations_of_works_by_Philip_K._Dick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_adaptations_of_works_b... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android:_Netrunner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android:_Netrunner [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer#Literary_and_cultural_significance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer#Literary_and_cultu...
- BerislavLopac 9y ago
  > I'm not aware of any motion picture adaptations of Stephenson's or Gibson's works. Well, for what it's worth, there is Johnny Mnemonic, which wasn't very well received although I personally liked it. Another short story set in the Sprawl, New Rose Hotel, was also adapted to a film (I haven't seen it), and many other works, including Neuromancer, have been in various stages of development for a while. More details at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Gibson#Film_adaptations,_screenplays,_and_appearances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Gibson#Film_adaptation...
  - Fnoord 9y ago
    Keanu Reeves in the former, Willem Dafoe in the latter. I'll give both a whirl, thank you. From what I can tell nobody brought up David Cronenberg either. I liked his works [1] when I was younger (not sure if I still would now). I especially liked eXistenZ, but also Videodrome, The Fly, and Scanners. I just started binge watching The Man In The High Castle and it exactly underlines my statement in my previous post: great storyline (IMO), but not depending much on CGI. I think if the story lacks, all you got going for it is CGI (or not if there is none). CGI may impress you when you're still young, but as you grow older you see through the façade. Especially when its overdone. Because older movies lack it, and therefore are rather limited (take for example old Star Wars which heavily used costumes, models, and camera tricks). It might feel a bit dated, if not just from the hair models. Yet sometimes the nostalgia hits the nail (such as in Black Mirror's San Junipero episode). Not exactly sure why. While I'm thoroughly enjoying The Man In The High Castle series my partner hates anything related to WWII so thats yet another series we cannot watch together. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cronenberg#As_director https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cronenberg#As_director
amag 9y ago
Agreed, there are so many plot holes in AC it wouldn't even do as a sieve. Still I watch it because it's cyberpunk. I just disconnect my brain and enjoy the settings.

by evo_9 9y ago

Fnoord 9y ago

I've only seen about 20 minutes of the first episode and couldn't enjoy it. I'd like to at least finish the first episode before I make judge for myself whether this one's worth my time (though I'm gonna first watch The Man in the High Castle). Generally though as a rule of thumb: Nice CGI doesn't make up for a terrible story, but a good story can make up for the lack of good CGI. E.g. I did not find the story good in the follow-ups of The Matrix. I fully underline your statement regarding PKD's Electric Dreams as well as all the Black Mirror seasons. Furthermore, let us not forget that several other of PKD's works have seen a movie adaptations. I can recommend Total Recall (both; watch older first), Blade Runner (both; watch older first), A Scanner Darkly (if you can stand the art style; personally, I loved it), Minority Report, and The Adjustment Bureau (Screamers was OKish). There are series adaptations as well. Check Wikipedia for all the adaptations [1] I'm not aware of any motion picture adaptations of Stephenson's or Gibson's works. Although I just found out via Wikipedia that the game Netrunner [2] is a derivative work of the Sprawl trilogy, and also The Matrix heavily "drawn" from the Sprawl trilogy as well [3]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_adaptations_of_works_by_Philip_K._Dick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_adaptations_of_works_b... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android:_Netrunner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android:_Netrunner [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer#Literary_and_cultural_significance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuromancer#Literary_and_cultu...

BerislavLopac 9y ago
> I'm not aware of any motion picture adaptations of Stephenson's or Gibson's works. Well, for what it's worth, there is Johnny Mnemonic, which wasn't very well received although I personally liked it. Another short story set in the Sprawl, New Rose Hotel, was also adapted to a film (I haven't seen it), and many other works, including Neuromancer, have been in various stages of development for a while. More details at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Gibson#Film_adaptations,_screenplays,_and_appearances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Gibson#Film_adaptation...
- Fnoord 9y ago
  Keanu Reeves in the former, Willem Dafoe in the latter. I'll give both a whirl, thank you. From what I can tell nobody brought up David Cronenberg either. I liked his works [1] when I was younger (not sure if I still would now). I especially liked eXistenZ, but also Videodrome, The Fly, and Scanners. I just started binge watching The Man In The High Castle and it exactly underlines my statement in my previous post: great storyline (IMO), but not depending much on CGI. I think if the story lacks, all you got going for it is CGI (or not if there is none). CGI may impress you when you're still young, but as you grow older you see through the façade. Especially when its overdone. Because older movies lack it, and therefore are rather limited (take for example old Star Wars which heavily used costumes, models, and camera tricks). It might feel a bit dated, if not just from the hair models. Yet sometimes the nostalgia hits the nail (such as in Black Mirror's San Junipero episode). Not exactly sure why. While I'm thoroughly enjoying The Man In The High Castle series my partner hates anything related to WWII so thats yet another series we cannot watch together. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cronenberg#As_director https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cronenberg#As_director

amag 9y ago

Agreed, there are so many plot holes in AC it wouldn't even do as a sieve. Still I watch it because it's cyberpunk. I just disconnect my brain and enjoy the settings.