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> And I would NOT use Emacs again. It's wonderfully powerful but it's past its prime This is an interesting note. To everyone who picked up their prime IDE in

> And I would NOT use Emacs again. It's wonderfully powerful but it's past its prime This is an interesting note. To everyone who picked up their prime IDE in the last say, 10 years: Which editor or IDE do you use, and why?

earenndil 9y ago
Vim. And I say to the grandparent, what makes you say emacs is past its prime? And if it is, why should that mean you shouldn't use it? If it's powerful enough for you to do what you want to do and do it effeciently then what does it matter even if there are 5 other people using it (and there are a lot more than that!).
- kbob 9y ago
  Emacs has a different way of doing just about everything than the rest of the desktop environment. Kill ring vs clipboard. Emacs windows/frames vs GUI tabs/windows. Subshells vs ⌘Tab to Terminal. C-X C-C vs ⌘Q. Actually, all the default keybindings are gratuitously different from other text applications. Most of these are different because Emacs invented them for non-GUI terminals before any conventions existed. But now it's just cognitive overhead to have two ways to do everything, depending on which app is active. It's powerful, but I believe I'm stuck on a suboptimal local maximum. A similarly powerful IDE better integrated with the rest of the system would be better, but unlearning and relearning is more effort than I'm willing to invest at any time. The size of the community matters if you want third-party add-ons.
  - earenndil 9y ago
    > A similarly powerful IDE better integrated with the rest of the system would be better Does one exist? (I'd preach vim to you but I don't want to perpetuate editor wars.
    - kbob 9y ago
      Heck if I know. Atom seems to have mindshare.
      - earenndil 9y ago
        It has mindshare, sure, but in comparison with something like emacs, does it have power? I've heard good things about jetbrains IDEs, maybe try those? Beyond that, idk.
xstartup 9y ago
Sublime + VIM emulation plugin

earenndil 9y ago

Vim. And I say to the grandparent, what makes you say emacs is past its prime? And if it is, why should that mean you shouldn't use it? If it's powerful enough for you to do what you want to do and do it effeciently then what does it matter even if there are 5 other people using it (and there are a lot more than that!).

kbob 9y ago
Emacs has a different way of doing just about everything than the rest of the desktop environment. Kill ring vs clipboard. Emacs windows/frames vs GUI tabs/windows. Subshells vs ⌘Tab to Terminal. C-X C-C vs ⌘Q. Actually, all the default keybindings are gratuitously different from other text applications. Most of these are different because Emacs invented them for non-GUI terminals before any conventions existed. But now it's just cognitive overhead to have two ways to do everything, depending on which app is active. It's powerful, but I believe I'm stuck on a suboptimal local maximum. A similarly powerful IDE better integrated with the rest of the system would be better, but unlearning and relearning is more effort than I'm willing to invest at any time. The size of the community matters if you want third-party add-ons.
- earenndil 9y ago
  > A similarly powerful IDE better integrated with the rest of the system would be better Does one exist? (I'd preach vim to you but I don't want to perpetuate editor wars.
  - kbob 9y ago
    Heck if I know. Atom seems to have mindshare.
    - earenndil 9y ago
      It has mindshare, sure, but in comparison with something like emacs, does it have power? I've heard good things about jetbrains IDEs, maybe try those? Beyond that, idk.

xstartup 9y ago

Sublime + VIM emulation plugin