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The first effects of a world of end-to-end encrypted media streaming. You don’t own the content, you don’t own the hardware, you can’t play whatever you want, y

by eecc 9y ago

The first effects of a world of end-to-end encrypted media streaming. You don’t own the content, you don’t own the hardware, you can’t play whatever you want, you just pay and go with whatever happens to be there. You can change channels like a Radio, that’s about it

abraae 9y ago
Isn't that life anyway? We're only on earth for a short time. You can't take your music to the grave with you, so why not accept its never really yours anyway?
- pedrocr 9y ago
  This isn't about accepting it's "not really yours". This is about accepting it's actually someone else's that then has control about what you can and can't do. That entity will often be on earth for even a smaller time than you before it goes bankrupt or loses interest in that product. So you get to spend your short time on earth dealing with product obsolescence instead of owning your stuff while you're alive and even being able to pass it on to your children. It's a terrible bargain.
- Yetanfou 9y ago
  No, it isn't. You don't need to take your music to the grave, those who come after you can inherit it. It can be 'yours' if you want it, as long as you managed to avoid the traps set by those who'd like you to believe there is no other way so you might as well accept it and just pay, and pay, and pay again.
- eecc 9y ago
  well, if you were careful enough when you bought that "The Dark Side of the Moon" LP vinyl you'd have a collectors item but - most importantly - a media record you can play anytime you want without having had to pay thousands over the course of a lifetime. Just a little cash 44 years ago.
- kjs3 9y ago
  Really? I have my grandfathers and fathers vinyl records. They still play just fine. I'll give them to my daughter. Probably still going to play just fine. That's not going to change because Chess Records is out of business or Universal decided to change the EULA when it bought Motown.
mnm1 9y ago
I expect any and all features of my Sonos speakers to possibly stop working except the local music library. If they ever stop that, I and others will file class action lawsuits at the very least. When the dust finally settles, that will probably be the only service still working anyway in the not so distant future. It's sad that the commercial market cannot and will not create worthwhile music services that are worth paying for in the long term. If my favorite songs disappear from the online library every few months, why should I pay a monthly fee? This happens on every service and is a categorical failure of the system's only purpose, to keep my favorite songs available. I'll take my NAS over those systems any day.
- pedrocr 9y ago
  >If they ever stop that, I and others will file class action lawsuits at the very least. The complete failure case for Sonos is the company stops existing or discontinues the product line and your devices are all stuck at whatever software version was the last, possibly useless after security issues or other software rot. There's no reason (and possibly no entity) to sue when that happens.
  - mnm1 9y ago
    As long as it still plays shit off my NAS, I don't care. And I don't see why it wouldn't, whether the company exists or not. That's what I was trying to convey above.
    - pedrocr 9y ago
      >And I don't see why it wouldn't Because your new NAS no longer supports the old protocol. Because there was a security issue that's too serious to allow you to keep it on without a fix. Because...
      - Doctor_Fegg 9y ago
        If I own the hardware, I decide whether the security issue is “too serious”. Not them.
KyeRussell 9y ago
Ignoring that that's an outplayed argument, it's irrelevant. This is about hardware, not about streaming services.
- eecc 9y ago
  Well why is it irrelevant. It used to be you ditched your receiver or player when it was irreparably broken, not when Sony or Technics decided they’d had enough supporting your hardware. Here you have hardware that is useless without a software service that gets discontinued or it’s utility modified after-sale. For now users can stay on current firmware but that depends on whenever Sonos will pull a Sony PlayStation move and force an update to continue access to DRM’d music
sjclemmy 9y ago
Precisely the reason I never invested in the Sonos. I looked into it a few years ago and I just thought they were overpriced and inflexible. I have Bluetooth speakers in my rooms and Spotify and Radio apps on my phone / tablet. Cheap and easy.

by eecc 9y ago

abraae 9y ago

Isn't that life anyway? We're only on earth for a short time. You can't take your music to the grave with you, so why not accept its never really yours anyway?

pedrocr 9y ago
This isn't about accepting it's "not really yours". This is about accepting it's actually someone else's that then has control about what you can and can't do. That entity will often be on earth for even a smaller time than you before it goes bankrupt or loses interest in that product. So you get to spend your short time on earth dealing with product obsolescence instead of owning your stuff while you're alive and even being able to pass it on to your children. It's a terrible bargain.
Yetanfou 9y ago
No, it isn't. You don't need to take your music to the grave, those who come after you can inherit it. It can be 'yours' if you want it, as long as you managed to avoid the traps set by those who'd like you to believe there is no other way so you might as well accept it and just pay, and pay, and pay again.
eecc 9y ago
well, if you were careful enough when you bought that "The Dark Side of the Moon" LP vinyl you'd have a collectors item but - most importantly - a media record you can play anytime you want without having had to pay thousands over the course of a lifetime. Just a little cash 44 years ago.
kjs3 9y ago
Really? I have my grandfathers and fathers vinyl records. They still play just fine. I'll give them to my daughter. Probably still going to play just fine. That's not going to change because Chess Records is out of business or Universal decided to change the EULA when it bought Motown.

mnm1 9y ago

I expect any and all features of my Sonos speakers to possibly stop working except the local music library. If they ever stop that, I and others will file class action lawsuits at the very least. When the dust finally settles, that will probably be the only service still working anyway in the not so distant future. It's sad that the commercial market cannot and will not create worthwhile music services that are worth paying for in the long term. If my favorite songs disappear from the online library every few months, why should I pay a monthly fee? This happens on every service and is a categorical failure of the system's only purpose, to keep my favorite songs available. I'll take my NAS over those systems any day.

pedrocr 9y ago
>If they ever stop that, I and others will file class action lawsuits at the very least. The complete failure case for Sonos is the company stops existing or discontinues the product line and your devices are all stuck at whatever software version was the last, possibly useless after security issues or other software rot. There's no reason (and possibly no entity) to sue when that happens.
- mnm1 9y ago
  As long as it still plays shit off my NAS, I don't care. And I don't see why it wouldn't, whether the company exists or not. That's what I was trying to convey above.
  - pedrocr 9y ago
    >And I don't see why it wouldn't Because your new NAS no longer supports the old protocol. Because there was a security issue that's too serious to allow you to keep it on without a fix. Because...
    - Doctor_Fegg 9y ago
      If I own the hardware, I decide whether the security issue is “too serious”. Not them.

KyeRussell 9y ago

Ignoring that that's an outplayed argument, it's irrelevant. This is about hardware, not about streaming services.

eecc 9y ago
Well why is it irrelevant. It used to be you ditched your receiver or player when it was irreparably broken, not when Sony or Technics decided they’d had enough supporting your hardware. Here you have hardware that is useless without a software service that gets discontinued or it’s utility modified after-sale. For now users can stay on current firmware but that depends on whenever Sonos will pull a Sony PlayStation move and force an update to continue access to DRM’d music

sjclemmy 9y ago

Precisely the reason I never invested in the Sonos. I looked into it a few years ago and I just thought they were overpriced and inflexible. I have Bluetooth speakers in my rooms and Spotify and Radio apps on my phone / tablet. Cheap and easy.