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How isn't it? Anyway, I agree with his comment but for a different reason: government "research" isn't historically trustworthy. Any psychedelics research spon

by montyf 9y ago

How isn't it? Anyway, I agree with his comment but for a different reason: government "research" isn't historically trustworthy. Any psychedelics research sponsored by the government, directly or indirectly, is going to end up like marijuana research[0] and like research into alternative therapies[1]. Of course, they will continue coming up with opposite findings for drugs that lobbyists can profit from, like SSRI's. The FDA is able to literally pick and choose studies that work for them[2]. [0]: http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170319/governments-marijuana-is-terrible-for-scientific-studies-researchers-say http://www.dispatch.com/news/20170319/governments-marijuana-... [1]: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/31190909/ns/health-alternative_medicine/t/billion-spent-no-alternative-cures-found/ http://www.nbcnews.com/id/31190909/ns/health-alternative_med... (It took 2.5 billion dollars to find out that yoga and meditation "may" help with anxiety etc.) [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_serotonin_reuptake_inhibitor#Controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_serotonin_reuptake_i...

Godel_unicode 9y ago
Before throwing around accusations like this, you might want to consider the evidence. For instance, how often has an FDA-approved drug been pulled because it was dangerous in unknown ways vs drugs which haven't been through the FDA? Conversely, how many home cures have been shown to be useless or even actively harmful? I find it interesting that you are citing the study on homeopathy in such a gerrymandered way; first, it's not $2.5 billion just on yoga and meditation by any reasonable interpretation. Second, the major conclusion of the study is that virtually no holistic/homeopathic remedies have any health value above the placebo effect. Thirdly yoga and meditation haven't been found to be beneficial, they rather have not had conclusive results either way.
- montyf 9y ago
  You're telling me to consider the evidence? That's funny. Let's just ignore how the US government has been fudging studies for decades to support whatever agendas suited them, whether it be pro-wheat industry, pro-sugar industry, pro-pharmaceutical industry, the list goes on and on. I could spend a day sitting here listing examples of great Uncle Sam and their "studies" and "research". Seriously, I thought people on HN were just a little bit smarter than this.

by montyf 9y ago

Godel_unicode 9y ago

Before throwing around accusations like this, you might want to consider the evidence. For instance, how often has an FDA-approved drug been pulled because it was dangerous in unknown ways vs drugs which haven't been through the FDA? Conversely, how many home cures have been shown to be useless or even actively harmful? I find it interesting that you are citing the study on homeopathy in such a gerrymandered way; first, it's not $2.5 billion just on yoga and meditation by any reasonable interpretation. Second, the major conclusion of the study is that virtually no holistic/homeopathic remedies have any health value above the placebo effect. Thirdly yoga and meditation haven't been found to be beneficial, they rather have not had conclusive results either way.

montyf 9y ago
You're telling me to consider the evidence? That's funny. Let's just ignore how the US government has been fudging studies for decades to support whatever agendas suited them, whether it be pro-wheat industry, pro-sugar industry, pro-pharmaceutical industry, the list goes on and on. I could spend a day sitting here listing examples of great Uncle Sam and their "studies" and "research". Seriously, I thought people on HN were just a little bit smarter than this.