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It is not, shockingly, racism does need to involve race. Nor do I think my nation is the greatest, and all the others suck. So I don't think it counts as natio

by d0lph 9y ago

It is not, shockingly, racism does need to involve race. Nor do I think my nation is the greatest, and all the others suck. So I don't think it counts as nationalism.

klibertp 9y ago
Yeah, sorry, I'm not actually well versed in these matters (of discrimination, never needed to be), I couldn't find the correct word. Anyway, you do attribute certain characteristics to members of whole nations without any kind of proof (beyond what "everybody [in the field] knows"). I believe you shouldn't, and that it doesn't matter if the characteristics are positive or negative. In reality, there are both good and bad programmers everywhere. That you ended up working with the bad - or maybe ill-incentivized due to some circumstances - programmers from here or there does not mean that there are no good programmers there or businesses that care for quality. It just means you didn't meet them.
- d0lph 9y ago
  > Yeah, sorry, I'm not actually well versed in these matters ... Perhaps you should not be accusing others then if you aren't even certain what you're accusing them of. > Anyway, you do attribute certain characteristics to members of whole nations without any kind of proof Homogeneous groups of people often share similar attributes, I don't see what is incorrect or wrong about that. You are correct though, I do not have proof, but it is something that I hear from and discuss with colleagues, as well as have observed myself.
  - klibertp 9y ago
    > Perhaps you should not be accusing others I said I'm sorry, and I edited the comment. This is, however, a detail - that you are unjustly discriminating, only on a basis other than race, I stand by. > Homogeneous groups of people Assuming homogeneity of any group of people is almost certainly wrong. Why don't you substitute "black" or "Hispanic" or "Jewish" for "offshore" in your arguments and see what happens? Would you be able to leisurely write that, in your opinion, "black programmers are sloppy and only churn code as quickly as possible"?

by d0lph 9y ago

It is not, shockingly, racism does need to involve race. Nor do I think my nation is the greatest, and all the others suck. So I don't think it counts as nationalism.

klibertp 9y ago

Yeah, sorry, I'm not actually well versed in these matters (of discrimination, never needed to be), I couldn't find the correct word. Anyway, you do attribute certain characteristics to members of whole nations without any kind of proof (beyond what "everybody [in the field] knows"). I believe you shouldn't, and that it doesn't matter if the characteristics are positive or negative. In reality, there are both good and bad programmers everywhere. That you ended up working with the bad - or maybe ill-incentivized due to some circumstances - programmers from here or there does not mean that there are no good programmers there or businesses that care for quality. It just means you didn't meet them.

d0lph 9y ago
> Yeah, sorry, I'm not actually well versed in these matters ... Perhaps you should not be accusing others then if you aren't even certain what you're accusing them of. > Anyway, you do attribute certain characteristics to members of whole nations without any kind of proof Homogeneous groups of people often share similar attributes, I don't see what is incorrect or wrong about that. You are correct though, I do not have proof, but it is something that I hear from and discuss with colleagues, as well as have observed myself.
- klibertp 9y ago
  > Perhaps you should not be accusing others I said I'm sorry, and I edited the comment. This is, however, a detail - that you are unjustly discriminating, only on a basis other than race, I stand by. > Homogeneous groups of people Assuming homogeneity of any group of people is almost certainly wrong. Why don't you substitute "black" or "Hispanic" or "Jewish" for "offshore" in your arguments and see what happens? Would you be able to leisurely write that, in your opinion, "black programmers are sloppy and only churn code as quickly as possible"?