> Truthfully, it makes it seem like you aren't even trying to have a real discussion, you just want to grind an axe. When you can't counter on facts or logic a

> Truthfully, it makes it seem like you aren't even trying to have a real discussion, you just want to grind an axe. When you can't counter on facts or logic attack the speaker and impugn their motives. > You've now gone and pretty much ignored every point made and just shifted discussion to something else When someone directly refutes you accuse them of trying to change the subject, which is what you are doing.