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I'm fine with that, as long as they can positively contribute. I'm not fine with bringing in millions of people who immediately go on benefits while US citizens

I'm fine with that, as long as they can positively contribute. I'm not fine with bringing in millions of people who immediately go on benefits while US citizens can't afford health care, college, and military vets are living on the street

bigmanwalter 9y ago
The reason the US can't afford any of that is because it's not a priority. Every other modern country manages to pay for all that and now they are also putting up with large scale immigration such as with Syrian refugees.
pjc50 9y ago
> millions of people who immediately go on benefits This is difficult in most countries and extremely so in the US. Which benefits? How do they prove entitlement to them? By what process are they entitled to them but the military vets living on the street aren't? I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I suspect it happens a lot less often than you think. (also, you've done the old "Schroedinger's immigrant" thing: at the top of the thread we were talking about jobs, you're talking about benefits now. Who are these people who simultaneously go on benefits while also stealing your job?)
- galieos_ghost 9y ago
  illegal immigrants drive down wages in low skill jobs which depresses wages up the chain because natives have to find more skilled jobs to retain their previous standard of living. At the same time their children, whether "dreamers" or native born get free education and healthcare the average cost per student in the US is around 15k the highest in the world, which these kids receive for free despite their parents never paying into the system. The end result is that illegal immigration costs US federal and state governments 85-100 billion a year. I support highly skilled labor ie top .1% of worldwide talent, not unlimited immigration sponsored by corporations to drive down wages for US citizens, whether that be low skilled manufacturing or software engineering http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/01/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-illegal-immigration-costs-113-bi/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/... https://fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers https://fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burde...
FireBeyond 9y ago
Those two issues are orthogonal. It's not people on benefits, immigrant or otherwise, who are causing skyrocketing college tuition.

bigmanwalter 9y ago

The reason the US can't afford any of that is because it's not a priority. Every other modern country manages to pay for all that and now they are also putting up with large scale immigration such as with Syrian refugees.

pjc50 9y ago

> millions of people who immediately go on benefits This is difficult in most countries and extremely so in the US. Which benefits? How do they prove entitlement to them? By what process are they entitled to them but the military vets living on the street aren't? I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I suspect it happens a lot less often than you think. (also, you've done the old "Schroedinger's immigrant" thing: at the top of the thread we were talking about jobs, you're talking about benefits now. Who are these people who simultaneously go on benefits while also stealing your job?)

galieos_ghost 9y ago
illegal immigrants drive down wages in low skill jobs which depresses wages up the chain because natives have to find more skilled jobs to retain their previous standard of living. At the same time their children, whether "dreamers" or native born get free education and healthcare the average cost per student in the US is around 15k the highest in the world, which these kids receive for free despite their parents never paying into the system. The end result is that illegal immigration costs US federal and state governments 85-100 billion a year. I support highly skilled labor ie top .1% of worldwide talent, not unlimited immigration sponsored by corporations to drive down wages for US citizens, whether that be low skilled manufacturing or software engineering http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/01/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-illegal-immigration-costs-113-bi/ http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/... https://fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers https://fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burde...

FireBeyond 9y ago

Those two issues are orthogonal. It's not people on benefits, immigrant or otherwise, who are causing skyrocketing college tuition.