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„...unlike competition they have underpaid and overworked deliverers...“# This is a pretty accurate general description of the delivery industry per se, not Am

„...unlike competition they have underpaid and overworked deliverers...“# This is a pretty accurate general description of the delivery industry per se, not Amazon specific.

fitchjo 9y ago
Wouldn't that be an indication that the wages are at market?
- nawgszy 9y ago
  >at market Ah yes, the calling card of people that think systematic exploitation of workers in a global economy where only the top few are gaining wealth is fine because "free market rules" matter in a world full of regulatory capture and industries with too high of a barrier to entry to foster true competition.
  - Godel_unicode 9y ago
    > high of a barrier to entry to foster true competition. The article is literally about true competition being attempted in a high-moat business.
    - addicted 9y ago
      This isn't true competition. This is vertical integration. Amazon isn't offering to deliver Walmart packages for a price.
      - tcoff91 9y ago
        Actually that's exactly what the article is about. Amazon has already had their own delivery drivers for a long time, they are now directly competing with UPS and FedEx by shipping packages for businesses that don't operate on Amazon's eCommerce platform.
        toomuchtodo 9y ago
        If Amazon loses money on each delivery to stoke its market share, Walmart should use it as its delivery service until Amazon has exhausted its foray into last mile logistics.
      - Godel_unicode 9y ago
        That's literally exactly what they're offering. This is directly competing with FedEx/UPS. "...the new service will entail the online retail giant picking up packages from businesses and shipping them to consumers."""
  - Fins 9y ago
    Because paying for things more than they are worth makes all the sense. Soviet experiment worked out really well! Of course what Amazon will pay their delivery personnel will match the quality of Amazon service, such as it is, anyway.
    - bigmanwalter 9y ago
      I am happy to tip my waiters well. Works out great for me!
      - Fins 9y ago
        Note -- you said tip. And I imagine you tip if you got at least acceptable service (something that looking at comments here doesn't happen too often with AMZL).
joncrane 9y ago
When I was a jumper for UPS in my college years, it was known that UPS had the best pay "in the trucking industry." UPS drivers could clear six figures after about 10 years. I think they averaged about 80k. Now it's true that they worked them to the bone, but they were paid well. Being a UPS driver also comes with a lot of perks. My driver had several lady friends on his route. Most of the business he picked up from loved him and we got lots of Christmas presents. Not sure if their compensation has kept up with inflation but it wasn't a bad job at all.
- nullbyte 9y ago
  Facts. UPS has excellent perks for their employees.
- astura 9y ago
  I have a facebook friend who is a driver at UPS and she absolutely loves it.
- chrisper 9y ago
  Thanks to the union for that, I think.
- arkades 9y ago
  You can make a solid argument UPS delivery folks have better lifetime earnings than physicians: http://www.er-doctor.com/doctor_income.html http://www.er-doctor.com/doctor_income.html

„...unlike competition they have underpaid and overworked deliverers...“# This is a pretty accurate general description of the delivery industry per se, not Amazon specific.

fitchjo 9y ago

Wouldn't that be an indication that the wages are at market?

nawgszy 9y ago
>at market Ah yes, the calling card of people that think systematic exploitation of workers in a global economy where only the top few are gaining wealth is fine because "free market rules" matter in a world full of regulatory capture and industries with too high of a barrier to entry to foster true competition.
- Godel_unicode 9y ago
  > high of a barrier to entry to foster true competition. The article is literally about true competition being attempted in a high-moat business.
  - addicted 9y ago
    This isn't true competition. This is vertical integration. Amazon isn't offering to deliver Walmart packages for a price.
    - tcoff91 9y ago
      Actually that's exactly what the article is about. Amazon has already had their own delivery drivers for a long time, they are now directly competing with UPS and FedEx by shipping packages for businesses that don't operate on Amazon's eCommerce platform.
      - toomuchtodo 9y ago
        If Amazon loses money on each delivery to stoke its market share, Walmart should use it as its delivery service until Amazon has exhausted its foray into last mile logistics.
    - Godel_unicode 9y ago
      That's literally exactly what they're offering. This is directly competing with FedEx/UPS. "...the new service will entail the online retail giant picking up packages from businesses and shipping them to consumers."""
- Fins 9y ago
  Because paying for things more than they are worth makes all the sense. Soviet experiment worked out really well! Of course what Amazon will pay their delivery personnel will match the quality of Amazon service, such as it is, anyway.
  - bigmanwalter 9y ago
    I am happy to tip my waiters well. Works out great for me!
    - Fins 9y ago
      Note -- you said tip. And I imagine you tip if you got at least acceptable service (something that looking at comments here doesn't happen too often with AMZL).

joncrane 9y ago

When I was a jumper for UPS in my college years, it was known that UPS had the best pay "in the trucking industry." UPS drivers could clear six figures after about 10 years. I think they averaged about 80k. Now it's true that they worked them to the bone, but they were paid well. Being a UPS driver also comes with a lot of perks. My driver had several lady friends on his route. Most of the business he picked up from loved him and we got lots of Christmas presents. Not sure if their compensation has kept up with inflation but it wasn't a bad job at all.

nullbyte 9y ago
Facts. UPS has excellent perks for their employees.
astura 9y ago
I have a facebook friend who is a driver at UPS and she absolutely loves it.
chrisper 9y ago
Thanks to the union for that, I think.
arkades 9y ago
You can make a solid argument UPS delivery folks have better lifetime earnings than physicians: http://www.er-doctor.com/doctor_income.html http://www.er-doctor.com/doctor_income.html