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Do you honestly think your examples are even in the same league as Facebook? Were TV ads ever as granular in its tracking as Facebook is today?

• jnordwick 9y ago
  tv is exactly in the same league as Facebook. Video games is pretty close too. Neither one are recognized as addictions.
  • tabeth 9y ago
    What? Does TV track what you're doing when you're not watching and change the ads when you return? You're being silly.
    • carlmcqueen 9y ago
      Marketing has had focus groups, and user use/studies for years. They have always had ways of knowing exactly what their content does without having to track millions of clicks. We have had sampling methods that makes the need to examine census pointless, it is just cool that today computing can handle the whole data set and scary that we are. Still, today, some of the best ways to truly examine massive swaths of data is deducing to what is missing. Who turns their phones off from 10pm-2am and turns them back on at 2am? Who wasn't looking at facebook and watching netflix all night while everyone else was?
    • aylmao 9y ago
      It did something worse: it severed everyone the same ads and propaganda. The phrase "Television rules the Nation" didn't just occur to Daft Punk because it sounded cool. It was a broadcasting-only service with a high cost of entry. You need big money to put your thoughts on TV. As someone from a country where the big media conglomerates and the government are helplessly colluded, social media comes as a very welcome break and counter-force.
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  • Brakenshire 9y ago
    There's a lot of discussion about video game addiction in fact.
  • bpchaps 9y ago
    Video game addiction is recognized in DSM-V.
    • jnordwick 9y ago
      No its not. Internet gaming disorder is not part of the dsm-v, only that it should be studied further. > Internet Gaming Disorder is a “Condition for Further Study” in the DSM-5 (APA 2013). This means that it is not an "official" disorder in the DSM, but one on which the American Psychiatric Association request additional research. Upon further research, the APA may or may not decide to make the disorder "official" in future editions of the DSM. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/here-there-and-everywhere/201407/internet-gaming-disorder-in-dsm-5 https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/here-there-and-everywhe... These things don't share many of the symptoms that physical addictions or even gambling are associated with.
      • bpchaps 9y ago
        Edit: I was wrong - you're right. Have a look at the actual DSM-V section on it (starts at p795): http://displus.sk/DSM/subory/dsm5.pdf http://displus.sk/DSM/subory/dsm5.pdf As for how proposed criteria sets are actually recognized: Proposed Criteria sets are presented for conditions on which future research is encouraged. The specific items, thresholds, and durations contained in these research criteria sets were set by expert consensus—informed by literature review, data reanalysis, and field trial results, where available—and are intended to provide a common language for researchers and clinicians who are interested in studying these disorders. It is hoped that such research will allow the field to better understand these conditions and will inform decisions about possible placement in forthcoming editions of DSM. The DSM-5 Task Force and Work Groups subjected each of these proposed criteria sets to a careful empirical review and invited wide commentary from the field as well as from the general public. The Task Force determined that there was insufficient evidence to warrant inclusion of these proposals as official mental disorder diagnoses in Section II. These proposed criteria sets are not intended fo r clinical use; only the criteria sets and disorders in Section II of D S M -5 are officially recognized and can be used for clinical purposes.
• vinceguidry 9y ago
  It's got approximately the mass reach and appeal that television did. It doesn't have nearly the impact that TV did. I wonder what makes you think that Facebook is in any way the same league as TV. TV transformed society. Facebook just makes it easier for people to argue with each other.
  • tabeth 9y ago
    Your gross simplification of the issue is unfortunate. TV has never been able to track you and change its programming to the extent Facebook can.
    • vinceguidry 9y ago
      Who cares? Would TV have been that worse if it did the same thing?
      • samastur 9y ago
        Yes.
        • vinceguidry 9y ago
          How? You spend less time channel surfing trying to find what you're into?
          • nrhk 9y ago
            You spend more time watching the TV because the extra information provided tells them exactly how to extract that extra attention. I think the best example are little kids with no self control watching endless amount of dopamine hitting videos like kinder eggs. People realized little kids loved these simple toy opening videos and the algorithm was more than happy enough to increase engagement by feeding kids these videos.
            • paulcole 9y ago
• InternetUser 9y ago
  It's not about the content matter itself, it's about the activity: staring silently and passively at a screen for many hours every day, and the fundamental difference that Facebook makes people feel they are carrying on relationships, when actually the online relationship takes over the real-life relationship. You were watching your friends and relatives (their personal lives or otherwise) on TV.