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This example is super flimsy. I could be a server who works shifts at two restaurants. They both call me the same morning with available shifts that day. I pic

by ebbv 9y ago

This example is super flimsy. I could be a server who works shifts at two restaurants. They both call me the same morning with available shifts that day. I pick the one that usually gives better tips. I’m still an employee of both. Edit: Guess the Uber shills don’t like it and downvoting is easier than admitting you’re wrong.

mpd 9y ago
But you're also not able to just jump to the other place if it suddenly gets busier and more profitable.
- ebbv 9y ago
  That totally depends on the people who manage those restaurants. And I would argue it’s a detail that has no real relevance.
  - kelnos 9y ago
    Now you're just making things up to support your (incorrect) point. It would be an impossibly rare, uncommon restaurant that would be cool with an employee -- during their shift! -- calling another restaurant where they also work, finding the other restaurant will pay them more to hop on over right that minute, and then following through. That's just not realistic at all, and I'm super disappointed that you're lowering the level of discourse here by insisting on supporting an obviously wrong premise.
gph 9y ago
Except most restaurants will have a set schedule of shifts and it's typically somewhat rare to get called in on your day off. It would be exceptionally rare to get called in on your day off from both. For uber/lyft that's not rare at all, that happens multiple times a day if you want to extend the shift analogy to giving someone a ride.
- ebbv 9y ago
  Restaurants do have shifts but no it is not rare to get called on your day off if you’re a good server who is up for additional shifts and does a good job with them. Nor would it be crazy to get called to two at once because often times if it’s a busy day for one it could be a busy day for another. And again these are irrelevant details. The point remains solid.
  - mikeryan 9y ago
    What point? The reason you are an “employee” and not a “contractor” at the restaurants is because they dictate your hours and place of business. Your example about filling in is a red herring as by its nature it’s an atypical circumstance.
enjo 9y ago
Sure, but you don't bring your own table to work. And you don't get to leave in the middle of your shift and go to the other job just because you feel like it.
- ebbv 9y ago
  Yeah and you don't write your own app to do Uber or Lyft and you can't dump a passenger out on the sidewalk to pick up a better ride in the middle of it. These arguments are ridiculous.
dang 9y ago
> Edit: Guess the Uber shills don’t like it and downvoting is easier than admitting you’re wrong This breaks not one but two of the site guidelines. Would you please (re-)read them and not do that? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by ebbv 9y ago

mpd 9y ago

But you're also not able to just jump to the other place if it suddenly gets busier and more profitable.

ebbv 9y ago
That totally depends on the people who manage those restaurants. And I would argue it’s a detail that has no real relevance.
- kelnos 9y ago
  Now you're just making things up to support your (incorrect) point. It would be an impossibly rare, uncommon restaurant that would be cool with an employee -- during their shift! -- calling another restaurant where they also work, finding the other restaurant will pay them more to hop on over right that minute, and then following through. That's just not realistic at all, and I'm super disappointed that you're lowering the level of discourse here by insisting on supporting an obviously wrong premise.

gph 9y ago

Except most restaurants will have a set schedule of shifts and it's typically somewhat rare to get called in on your day off. It would be exceptionally rare to get called in on your day off from both. For uber/lyft that's not rare at all, that happens multiple times a day if you want to extend the shift analogy to giving someone a ride.

ebbv 9y ago
Restaurants do have shifts but no it is not rare to get called on your day off if you’re a good server who is up for additional shifts and does a good job with them. Nor would it be crazy to get called to two at once because often times if it’s a busy day for one it could be a busy day for another. And again these are irrelevant details. The point remains solid.
- mikeryan 9y ago
  What point? The reason you are an “employee” and not a “contractor” at the restaurants is because they dictate your hours and place of business. Your example about filling in is a red herring as by its nature it’s an atypical circumstance.

enjo 9y ago

Sure, but you don't bring your own table to work. And you don't get to leave in the middle of your shift and go to the other job just because you feel like it.

ebbv 9y ago
Yeah and you don't write your own app to do Uber or Lyft and you can't dump a passenger out on the sidewalk to pick up a better ride in the middle of it. These arguments are ridiculous.

dang 9y ago

> Edit: Guess the Uber shills don’t like it and downvoting is easier than admitting you’re wrong This breaks not one but two of the site guidelines. Would you please (re-)read them and not do that? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html