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Fully decentralized internet lol. The internet economy is much more centralized that the old world ever was There is no problem at all identifying the big play

Fully decentralized internet lol. The internet economy is much more centralized that the old world ever was There is no problem at all identifying the big players that have too much power

malvosenior 9y ago
There's more to tech than companies, examples: Linux: open, distributed development, massive success Bittorrent: p2p, massive success Bitcoin: fully distributed, massive success (pending) There is nothing more centralized than the government. They have a monopoly on violence. I (and many others) want them as far away from our industry as possible. I'll take Google over government intervention any day.
- jmfayard 9y ago
  Look, everywhere there is power, there is abuse of power, it does not matter what source of power it comes from. The only thing that helps is having another power that checks it.
- TeMPOraL 9y ago
  Centralization isn't bad; often, it's welcome, as by its nature it's more efficient. Bitcoin is a good example of how not to do tech. Beyond that, you're under the mistaken impression that government=centralized, private=decentralized. The reality is, governments and markets are two sides of the same coin. They both strive centralize control.
  - malvosenior 9y ago
    > Bitcoin is a good example of how not to do tech Bitcoin is a great example of exactly how to do tech. I'm pretty sure we probably fundamentally disagree on most things :) > you're under the mistaken impression that government=centralized, private=decentralized None of the technologies I listed are private enterprises.
    - TeMPOraL 9y ago
      > Bitcoin is a great example of exactly how to do tech. I'm pretty sure we probably fundamentally disagree on most things :) I disagree about that, but I don't really think we have that many fundamental disagreement. For instance, I get why many honest people like the decentralization and censorship-free ideas in Bitcoin. I share some of those values, too, but I put a different priority for them; for me, in case of Bitcoin, all those benefits are heavily outweighed by the energy footprint. > None of the technologies I listed are private enterprises. No, but that part was referring to the second part of your comment, about "taking Google over government intervention any day". Maybe I worded it too strongly, though.

Fully decentralized internet lol. The internet economy is much more centralized that the old world ever was There is no problem at all identifying the big players that have too much power

malvosenior 9y ago

There's more to tech than companies, examples: Linux: open, distributed development, massive success Bittorrent: p2p, massive success Bitcoin: fully distributed, massive success (pending) There is nothing more centralized than the government. They have a monopoly on violence. I (and many others) want them as far away from our industry as possible. I'll take Google over government intervention any day.

jmfayard 9y ago
Look, everywhere there is power, there is abuse of power, it does not matter what source of power it comes from. The only thing that helps is having another power that checks it.
TeMPOraL 9y ago
Centralization isn't bad; often, it's welcome, as by its nature it's more efficient. Bitcoin is a good example of how not to do tech. Beyond that, you're under the mistaken impression that government=centralized, private=decentralized. The reality is, governments and markets are two sides of the same coin. They both strive centralize control.
- malvosenior 9y ago
  > Bitcoin is a good example of how not to do tech Bitcoin is a great example of exactly how to do tech. I'm pretty sure we probably fundamentally disagree on most things :) > you're under the mistaken impression that government=centralized, private=decentralized None of the technologies I listed are private enterprises.
  - TeMPOraL 9y ago
    > Bitcoin is a great example of exactly how to do tech. I'm pretty sure we probably fundamentally disagree on most things :) I disagree about that, but I don't really think we have that many fundamental disagreement. For instance, I get why many honest people like the decentralization and censorship-free ideas in Bitcoin. I share some of those values, too, but I put a different priority for them; for me, in case of Bitcoin, all those benefits are heavily outweighed by the energy footprint. > None of the technologies I listed are private enterprises. No, but that part was referring to the second part of your comment, about "taking Google over government intervention any day". Maybe I worded it too strongly, though.