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A lot of hate here for DST. Personally, I like it. In the sense that in northern climates, the really long days are actually pretty nice. Even in London in the
by cletus 9y ago
A lot of hate here for DST. Personally, I like it. In the sense that in northern climates, the really long days are actually pretty nice. Even in London in the height of summer, the Sun didn't set til about ~10pm. That's nice.
I'm not opposed to the clock change but my solution for that is to have DST year-round not non-DST year-round.
All this being said, I'd be surprised if this goes ahead.
- torstenvl 9y agoDST does not change the length of the days. If your shift begins at an inconvenient hour, or your timezone is misaligned to your astronomical time, those problems do not require manually fiddling with time by multiple countries to solve.
- JoeAltmaier 9y agoBeing pedantic is not lovely. Of course it changes the daylight hours we enjoy outside of working hours. During work most of us are indoors anyway.
- drb91 9y agoWell, you could just adjust when you work. No reason to alter time to get this effect. Personally, I haven’t noticed any more day with DST. I’d much rather have the daylight in the morning anyway! Meanwhile, it’d be lovely to hear why you appreciate the “extra” time in the evening but don’t notice the missing hour in the morning, and why you’re ok with that.
- etatoby 9y agoAdjusting the time when you work is not an option for 99% of people. Also, an extra hour of light in in the morning is barely noticeable to most people, who are struggling to wake up, get dressed, deal with family, and commute to work in time, to even notice whether the sun is out yet or not. In the evening, on the contrary, most people go out and have fun, so an extra hour of light is a big deal.
- drb91 9y agoWell, it’s definitely at least as much an option as passing a law forcing people to change their conception of time for.... people with 9-5 jobs? Since when do we value those people more than others?
- JoeAltmaier 9y agoLike, almost everybody? Since Democracy.
- salvar 9y agoSure it does. If "day" refers to how many daylight-hours coincide with the standard workday. Which the grandparent was doing.
- bluejekyll 9y agoDevil’s advocate: why don’t we all just use UTC? Get rid of time zones, those are only a human conveniences as well...
- BerislavLopac 9y agoPossibly something to do with "we all" being mostly human... ;-)
- salvar 9y agoWell, human conveniences tend to be convenient to humans. So I guess that's why we don't get rid of timezones.
- tzs 9y agoUniversal UTC does not change the need people have to know how approximate solar time locally maps to approximate solar time at some different longitude. E.g., you are in Munich and want to call your friend in Tokyo. You want to call him at a time that is not too early in the morning for him, or not too late in the evening for him. Let's say you want to call him at lunch time, which you both take around solar noon. Under the current system, where the time in each time zone approximates local solar time, that means he takes lunch around the same clock time you do, which is 12:00. The question you ask yourself is "When his clock says 12:00, what does my clock say?". You answer that by subtracting the time zone difference (which is 8 hours), so you get that you should call him when you clock says 4:00. Now let's do this with universal UTC. Your clocks no longer approximate local solar time. Solar noon is around 11:00 clock time at your place. The question you want to ask now is "What time is his solar noon?". Since his solar time is approximately 8 hours ahead of your solar time, you answer it exactly the same way. You subtract 8 hours from the time from the UTC time you have lunch to get the UTC time he has lunch, so 3:00. As long as people keep their activities lined up with approximate local solar time and people need to sync things with people whose solar time is significantly different than theirs, we need something like time zones.
- kmonsen 9y agoSure, that makes sense. But no point in changing time twice a year.
- ranie93 9y agoWell, the point of changing time twice a year is because the transition happens twice a year (equinoxes). DST isn't exactly on the date of the equinoxes.
- JumpCrisscross 9y ago> In the sense that in northern climates, the really long days are actually pretty nice It's easier for local-only industries to adjust their workdays based on the seasons than to force everyone to change how time is measured. For cross-time zone workers, DST is a PITA with economic and wellbeing costs.
- blauditore 9y ago> For cross-time zone workers, DST is a PITA with economic and wellbeing costs. You mean across a DST/non-DST border? If practiced in both areas, DST has no additional effect whatsoever.
- JumpCrisscross 9y ago> If practiced in both areas, DST has no additional effect whatsoever Not everyone observes DST. And not everyone changes between DST and non-DST at the same time. London and New York, for example, change clocks on different weeks.
- icebraining 9y agoTo play Devil's advocate, surely it's easier just to align the DST dates - as the EU has already done.
- tjoff 9y agoSurely it is easier to not change time at all?
- cannam 9y agoThe UK did try this once. In the winters of 1968-69 and 1969-70, the clocks were kept on summer time. It wasn't all that popular, apparently because it meant spending such a long time in the dark on winter mornings, especially in the north and Scotland. My mother remembers hating it.
- tom_mellior 9y agoA few years ago I moved one sun-hour westwards within CET, while staying at roughly the same latitude. So I have the same experience: My new winter time is the same as it would have been to keep summer time at my previous home. The sun rises almost exactly an hour later and sets an hour later too. Overall I prefer it. Yes, it's stubbornly dark on winter mornings, and yes, it means it's hard to get out of bed. But I find it hard to get out of bed in summer too, so that doesn't make much of a difference to me. And yes, in the deepest winter it gets dark before I leave my place of work. Still, overall, I think this agrees better with me. But all this comes down to personal preference as well as where you live. I'm fairly sure winter mornings in Scotland are pretty dark regardless of the time zone, because the days are simply short.
- acjohnson55 9y agoI agree. I prefer daylight time to standard time. But it's the time change that really irritates me.