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> An "extra" hour of daylight during summer evenings has a large positive impact on my mental and physical health. It would be nice to have the same on winter

> An "extra" hour of daylight during summer evenings has a large positive impact on my mental and physical health. It would be nice to have the same on winter evenings (or afternoons) too, i.e., "summer" time all year long. No clock changes needed for that. Of course depending on where you are, "winter" time can help you get out of bed in the morning, and you might find that more important. There is no pleasing everybody, especially in a time zone as big as CET. Its eastern and western extremities are separated by about two hours of solar time...

carlmr 9y ago
>It would be nice to have the same on winter evenings (or afternoons) too, i.e., "summer" time all year long. No clock changes needed for that. Exactly. I always hated winter time. Why can't we abolish that? Oh you have a short day where you only get half an hour of daylight after work? Let's make it an hour shorter.
- nicky0 9y ago
  The day is the same length you just do everything an hour earlier. You can do that without changing the time.....
  - carlmr 9y ago
    Do you get all your collegues to get up one hour earlier with you? Do you call the TV station to broadcast one hour earlier? Do you get your gym to open one hour earlier? Society agrees on time because it's necessary to make the system work. You can't individually live in a different time zone.
    - nicky0 9y ago
      Of course you are right. But that "impossible" thing is precisely what actually happens when everyone moves the clocks. It's a clever social hack.
nicky0 9y ago
Great so let's have solar noon be at 1pm all year round. Am I the only one that thinks this is stupid? Can't we have a sane time system and everyone just do everything an hour earlier instead?
- tom_mellior 9y ago
  If daylight is centered at 12:00, then nighttime is centered at 00:00. But people's sleep habits aren't centered around midnight. Having noon at 12:00 conforms nicely to elementary school teachings of an idealized model, but it does not conform to actual people's actual habits and lifestyle preferences.
  - icebraining 9y ago
    But under nicky0's proposal, people would still go to bed and get up at the same solar time, it's just that now it would be centered around midnight in clock time.

carlmr 9y ago

>It would be nice to have the same on winter evenings (or afternoons) too, i.e., "summer" time all year long. No clock changes needed for that. Exactly. I always hated winter time. Why can't we abolish that? Oh you have a short day where you only get half an hour of daylight after work? Let's make it an hour shorter.

nicky0 9y ago
The day is the same length you just do everything an hour earlier. You can do that without changing the time.....
- carlmr 9y ago
  Do you get all your collegues to get up one hour earlier with you? Do you call the TV station to broadcast one hour earlier? Do you get your gym to open one hour earlier? Society agrees on time because it's necessary to make the system work. You can't individually live in a different time zone.
  - nicky0 9y ago
    Of course you are right. But that "impossible" thing is precisely what actually happens when everyone moves the clocks. It's a clever social hack.

nicky0 9y ago

Great so let's have solar noon be at 1pm all year round. Am I the only one that thinks this is stupid? Can't we have a sane time system and everyone just do everything an hour earlier instead?

tom_mellior 9y ago
If daylight is centered at 12:00, then nighttime is centered at 00:00. But people's sleep habits aren't centered around midnight. Having noon at 12:00 conforms nicely to elementary school teachings of an idealized model, but it does not conform to actual people's actual habits and lifestyle preferences.
- icebraining 9y ago
  But under nicky0's proposal, people would still go to bed and get up at the same solar time, it's just that now it would be centered around midnight in clock time.