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I'm against time changes, but Daylight savings time is better. We should just stay on that year long.

by rhino369 9y ago

blattimwind 9y ago
Honestly: Whatever. As long as we stop doing the clock change.
- aiCeivi9 9y ago
  This is what stopped such ideas before - even if majority of people that want to stop the clock change they disagree on which timezone to choose
ajmurmann 9y ago
We could also just get up an hour earlier without redefining what time it is...
kozak 9y ago
This is what Turkey recently did, but this has no sense in my opinion. If you want something that's happening at 8 AM to be like 7 AM, why not just do it on 7 AM?
- tome 9y ago
  Inertia. Most things will work to the time of 9-5 (or whatever) regardless. It's a fine plan for individuals. It's not fine when you want to interact with anyone else.
  - bryanlarsen 9y ago
    It's the 9-5 that's silly. If noon is mid-day, then why 3 hours of morning and 5 of afternoon? Construction workers and other outside workers have this figured out: 7-3 makes a heck of a lot more sense. Use that gorgeous afternoon sun for your leisure time.
    - vuln 9y ago
      The reason out side workers start early and end early is to avoid the hottest portion of the day.
      - baud147258 9y ago
        It does not make any sense during winter, but because of inertia, they keep the same schedule as the rest of the year.
    - tluyben2 9y ago
      I would be sleeping in that case in that gorgeous afternoon. As a night owl I always detested waking up early, no matter what timezone. When travelling, once the jetlag is gone, I again wake up 10 am and sleep at 2-3 am. I like my days like that. I tried what you say and it does not work for me; 8:30-9 is a reasonable compromise. Seems getting up later, taking a longer afternoon break but working later at night meshes with the partners/ companies we work with in Portugal, India and China; all of their offices start about 10, 11 all are there and they work till 2100 with a 2 hour lunchbreak. I for one have almost never set an alarm since high school (and at least in my uni the interesting profs also preferred late mornings and nights) and if definitely makes me feel more rested. It is personal but do not think everyone just gets used to it; like said, I tried and I know many who tried because somehow it might convenient and failed. Like in high school I had to get on my bike at 7 but I would just fall asleep in all classes after lunch while I do never have that if I shift my time; I sleep the same number of hours in both cases but I guess my brain does not accept waking in the dark for some reason.
      - bryanlarsen 9y ago
        I used to think I was a night owl. It turns out that I was just highly sensitive to caffeine, moderately sensitive to blue light and young. Remove all three factors, and it turns out I'm a severe lark. It's still quite likely you're an owl, but I recommend trying to get rid of anything that's making it worse for you.
        9y ago
dorfsmay 9y ago
No! Let's keep time that make sense, I like the concept that the sun is at its highest at noon. Shit like drawing the shadow of a stick is stuff that kept me interested in school, as opposed to arbitrary/political things such as spelling (in french and english anyway). If natural light matters, shift society to do everything earlier! It shouldn't be very difficult, especially in Europe, where governments have such an influence, mandate that schools start earlier, shift transportation peak time (number and frequency of trains and buses) earlier, give some tax incentive for a year or two to companies who let their employees leave work earlier, etc... I lived in countries where the currency was changed, people got used to it, it didn't turn out to be the end of the world. Some countries shifted on which side or the road cars drove, people adapted.
- Svip 9y ago
  > No! Let's keep time that make sense, I like the concept that the sun is at its highest at noon. But in how many places during 'normal time' is this even actually true? No where in Spain is this true, and even for territories within their timezone, only a tiny sliver of land actually meets the above criteria. In England, the further east or west you get from GMT, the further you are from the Sun being the highest at noon by minutes, quarters and more. Timezones aren't even really accurate currently if we ignore daylight savings time, so why pretend it is? And honestly, if the purpose is for there to be more lighter hours during the evening, why not just adjust time so our current 14:00 is 12:00? And stick with that all year round?
  - lmm 9y ago
    > And honestly, if the purpose is for there to be more lighter hours during the evening, why not just adjust time so our current 14:00 is 12:00? And stick with that all year round? Because that's aesthetically ugly. Can't we just change work hours to be 7:00-15:00 instead?
  - lower 9y ago
    Even in Greenwich, it is true only twice a year.
rectang 9y ago
Having a decent amount of daylight time after work and rush hour end makes a huge difference. Should daylight savings be taken away, it will have a outsized negative impact on my life. It's not realistic for the entire society to change from "9 to 5" to "8 to 4". The only hope is for daylight savings time to persist.
- Aaargh20318 9y ago
  How does it have a negative impact if you have more usable hours in the evening ? Summer evenings don't get comfortable until after the sun goes down, before that it's usually too hot to spend outside in the sun. We should move the clock an hour in the opposite direction, so the hot parts of the day are during working hours (when you're in a nice airconditioned office) and the cooler parts are in the evening, when you want to sit in the garden and have a beer and a BBQ.
  - rectang 9y ago
    No way -- I'm not nocturnal, and the heat of the hours just before sundown is perfectly tolerable. Damn the tyranny of the electric light bulb! Give me sunlight!
  - Kronopath 9y ago
    You realize that your assertions are heavily influenced by the climate of where you live, right? While what you said makes a lot of sense for somewhere like Texas or Arizona, it is completely wrong for, say, the majority of Canada.
    - Aaargh20318 9y ago
      I live in the Netherlands, our summers are probably closer to Canada than Texas and it’s still way too hot to be outside un direct sunlight during summers.
      - tluyben2 9y ago
        That is highly personal though; I am from NL and I have never experienced what you say. Too hot in NL is not a thing. I moved to Spain and we even usually (outside august) find it too cold there. Each his own but for a country with such crap summers like NL I find this a weird one; most people I know there take summer afternoons off to hang outside on terasses. That and working, walking etc in the hot sun gives me energy personally; energy I missed in our Dutch winters.
alangpierce 9y ago
You need to actually shift the clocks if you want a time system where schedules are consistent and you typically wake up at about sunrise. (I realize this greatly depends on latitude and location within timezone, but shifting the clocks gets a lot closer overall than any fixed time offset would.) The big downside to keeping summer time in the winter is that in northern areas it will be dark for a lot of the morning, when there are sleepy drivers who just woke up and kids walking to school. That's probably a bigger safety issue than the sleep issues caused by the time shift. I'm generally against shifting the clocks, but the problem it's solving isn't an easy one.
Aaargh20318 9y ago
No, DST makes no sense, in fact IF we have to move the clock at all, we should move it in the other direction. Let's call it MST (Moonlight Saving Time). DST gives you more sun-hours during the day, which is exactly the opposite of what you want. It means your evenings are useless. On a nice summer night, I want to have a BBQ with friends but usually it's not possible due to DST, it's simply too hot to be outside for any reasonable amount of time. Summer nights get nice and comfortable AFTER the sun goes down, so instead of maximising sun-hours during non-working hours, we should try to minimise them. You want the hottest part of the day to be during work hours when you're in a nice airconditioned office building, and the coolest parts in the evening when you want to be outside.
- blauditore 9y ago
  This only applies to certain areas in the world. In most parts of Europe, it hardly ever gets really hot during summer, so I guess many people would argue in the exact opposite direction.
  - Aaargh20318 9y ago
    I live in the Netherlands and it's already too hot on many summer days, it's probably worse farther down south. In my experience, the number of really hot summer days has increased a lot in the last decade or so, and it's probably going to get worse, not better.
- scbrg 9y ago
  This is obviously highly dependent on where you live. In large parts of Europe, which this is about, that is not the case.
  - Aaargh20318 9y ago
    I live in the Netherlands and it's already a problem here, and we're supposed to be a relatively cold country. Global warming is a thing and summers have been getting hotter every year.
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sorenjan 9y ago
I agree. I don't really care about how bright it is in the morning, but I want as much light as possible in the evening.
marssaxman 9y ago
I don't care what time zone I live in so long as it stops changing every six months.

I'm against time changes, but Daylight savings time is better. We should just stay on that year long.

blattimwind 9y ago

Honestly: Whatever. As long as we stop doing the clock change.

aiCeivi9 9y ago
This is what stopped such ideas before - even if majority of people that want to stop the clock change they disagree on which timezone to choose

ajmurmann 9y ago

We could also just get up an hour earlier without redefining what time it is...

kozak 9y ago

This is what Turkey recently did, but this has no sense in my opinion. If you want something that's happening at 8 AM to be like 7 AM, why not just do it on 7 AM?

tome 9y ago
Inertia. Most things will work to the time of 9-5 (or whatever) regardless. It's a fine plan for individuals. It's not fine when you want to interact with anyone else.
- bryanlarsen 9y ago
  It's the 9-5 that's silly. If noon is mid-day, then why 3 hours of morning and 5 of afternoon? Construction workers and other outside workers have this figured out: 7-3 makes a heck of a lot more sense. Use that gorgeous afternoon sun for your leisure time.
  - vuln 9y ago
    The reason out side workers start early and end early is to avoid the hottest portion of the day.
    - baud147258 9y ago
      It does not make any sense during winter, but because of inertia, they keep the same schedule as the rest of the year.
  - tluyben2 9y ago
    I would be sleeping in that case in that gorgeous afternoon. As a night owl I always detested waking up early, no matter what timezone. When travelling, once the jetlag is gone, I again wake up 10 am and sleep at 2-3 am. I like my days like that. I tried what you say and it does not work for me; 8:30-9 is a reasonable compromise. Seems getting up later, taking a longer afternoon break but working later at night meshes with the partners/ companies we work with in Portugal, India and China; all of their offices start about 10, 11 all are there and they work till 2100 with a 2 hour lunchbreak. I for one have almost never set an alarm since high school (and at least in my uni the interesting profs also preferred late mornings and nights) and if definitely makes me feel more rested. It is personal but do not think everyone just gets used to it; like said, I tried and I know many who tried because somehow it might convenient and failed. Like in high school I had to get on my bike at 7 but I would just fall asleep in all classes after lunch while I do never have that if I shift my time; I sleep the same number of hours in both cases but I guess my brain does not accept waking in the dark for some reason.
    - bryanlarsen 9y ago
      I used to think I was a night owl. It turns out that I was just highly sensitive to caffeine, moderately sensitive to blue light and young. Remove all three factors, and it turns out I'm a severe lark. It's still quite likely you're an owl, but I recommend trying to get rid of anything that's making it worse for you.
      - 9y ago

dorfsmay 9y ago

No! Let's keep time that make sense, I like the concept that the sun is at its highest at noon. Shit like drawing the shadow of a stick is stuff that kept me interested in school, as opposed to arbitrary/political things such as spelling (in french and english anyway). If natural light matters, shift society to do everything earlier! It shouldn't be very difficult, especially in Europe, where governments have such an influence, mandate that schools start earlier, shift transportation peak time (number and frequency of trains and buses) earlier, give some tax incentive for a year or two to companies who let their employees leave work earlier, etc... I lived in countries where the currency was changed, people got used to it, it didn't turn out to be the end of the world. Some countries shifted on which side or the road cars drove, people adapted.

Svip 9y ago
> No! Let's keep time that make sense, I like the concept that the sun is at its highest at noon. But in how many places during 'normal time' is this even actually true? No where in Spain is this true, and even for territories within their timezone, only a tiny sliver of land actually meets the above criteria. In England, the further east or west you get from GMT, the further you are from the Sun being the highest at noon by minutes, quarters and more. Timezones aren't even really accurate currently if we ignore daylight savings time, so why pretend it is? And honestly, if the purpose is for there to be more lighter hours during the evening, why not just adjust time so our current 14:00 is 12:00? And stick with that all year round?
- lmm 9y ago
  > And honestly, if the purpose is for there to be more lighter hours during the evening, why not just adjust time so our current 14:00 is 12:00? And stick with that all year round? Because that's aesthetically ugly. Can't we just change work hours to be 7:00-15:00 instead?
- lower 9y ago
  Even in Greenwich, it is true only twice a year.

rectang 9y ago

Having a decent amount of daylight time after work and rush hour end makes a huge difference. Should daylight savings be taken away, it will have a outsized negative impact on my life. It's not realistic for the entire society to change from "9 to 5" to "8 to 4". The only hope is for daylight savings time to persist.

Aaargh20318 9y ago
How does it have a negative impact if you have more usable hours in the evening ? Summer evenings don't get comfortable until after the sun goes down, before that it's usually too hot to spend outside in the sun. We should move the clock an hour in the opposite direction, so the hot parts of the day are during working hours (when you're in a nice airconditioned office) and the cooler parts are in the evening, when you want to sit in the garden and have a beer and a BBQ.
- rectang 9y ago
  No way -- I'm not nocturnal, and the heat of the hours just before sundown is perfectly tolerable. Damn the tyranny of the electric light bulb! Give me sunlight!
- Kronopath 9y ago
  You realize that your assertions are heavily influenced by the climate of where you live, right? While what you said makes a lot of sense for somewhere like Texas or Arizona, it is completely wrong for, say, the majority of Canada.
  - Aaargh20318 9y ago
    I live in the Netherlands, our summers are probably closer to Canada than Texas and it’s still way too hot to be outside un direct sunlight during summers.
    - tluyben2 9y ago
      That is highly personal though; I am from NL and I have never experienced what you say. Too hot in NL is not a thing. I moved to Spain and we even usually (outside august) find it too cold there. Each his own but for a country with such crap summers like NL I find this a weird one; most people I know there take summer afternoons off to hang outside on terasses. That and working, walking etc in the hot sun gives me energy personally; energy I missed in our Dutch winters.

alangpierce 9y ago

You need to actually shift the clocks if you want a time system where schedules are consistent and you typically wake up at about sunrise. (I realize this greatly depends on latitude and location within timezone, but shifting the clocks gets a lot closer overall than any fixed time offset would.) The big downside to keeping summer time in the winter is that in northern areas it will be dark for a lot of the morning, when there are sleepy drivers who just woke up and kids walking to school. That's probably a bigger safety issue than the sleep issues caused by the time shift. I'm generally against shifting the clocks, but the problem it's solving isn't an easy one.

Aaargh20318 9y ago

No, DST makes no sense, in fact IF we have to move the clock at all, we should move it in the other direction. Let's call it MST (Moonlight Saving Time). DST gives you more sun-hours during the day, which is exactly the opposite of what you want. It means your evenings are useless. On a nice summer night, I want to have a BBQ with friends but usually it's not possible due to DST, it's simply too hot to be outside for any reasonable amount of time. Summer nights get nice and comfortable AFTER the sun goes down, so instead of maximising sun-hours during non-working hours, we should try to minimise them. You want the hottest part of the day to be during work hours when you're in a nice airconditioned office building, and the coolest parts in the evening when you want to be outside.

blauditore 9y ago
This only applies to certain areas in the world. In most parts of Europe, it hardly ever gets really hot during summer, so I guess many people would argue in the exact opposite direction.
- Aaargh20318 9y ago
  I live in the Netherlands and it's already too hot on many summer days, it's probably worse farther down south. In my experience, the number of really hot summer days has increased a lot in the last decade or so, and it's probably going to get worse, not better.
scbrg 9y ago
This is obviously highly dependent on where you live. In large parts of Europe, which this is about, that is not the case.
- Aaargh20318 9y ago
  I live in the Netherlands and it's already a problem here, and we're supposed to be a relatively cold country. Global warming is a thing and summers have been getting hotter every year.
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sorenjan 9y ago

I agree. I don't really care about how bright it is in the morning, but I want as much light as possible in the evening.

marssaxman 9y ago

I don't care what time zone I live in so long as it stops changing every six months.