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I agree, I got the same feeling from this. Furthermore, one might argue this is how it all went along anyways: - Some people start this website Funny or Die -

by WA 9y ago

I agree, I got the same feeling from this. Furthermore, one might argue this is how it all went along anyways: - Some people start this website Funny or Die - They manage to get some money from it - They get a lot of traffic for free, because of Facebook and their sharing model - They hire more comedy writers - They feel entitled to be paid for their work, because apparently, it works - Facebook changes how they link to websites - Less people visit the website, less money for them, maybe because less people actually care about Funny or Die. Entitlement to get paid to be a comedy writer stays - Whiny post about evil Facebook (and about how brainless people are that they stopped visiting Funny or Die directly)

pavel_lishin 9y ago
> Entitlement to get paid to be a comedy writer stays It's like you're saying that it's bad to be expected to get paid for work.
- white-flame 9y ago
  Being expected to get paid for employment and contractual work is fine. Expecting money to come in just because you spent time working on something, and put it out for the public to see, really isn't. Even if it happened to have made money in prior circumstances. There's tons of work that people do, either out of interest, pleasure, or duty, that has no expectation of monetization attached. Who's going to pay for the work of some hobbyist building a ship in a bottle? Or getting paid for the hard work of redoing your own front yard? Or working on learning how to yodel? Or doing good deeds for others? Work is just effort spent; it's not a guaranteed exchange for money, unless some specific agreement is made.
  - pdpi 9y ago
    > Expecting money to come in just because you spent time working on something, and put it out for the public to see, really isn't. Expecting to be paid for work you did that other people are making money out of is perfectly legitimate, though. And that’s what this discussion is about: under the current model, their videos are popular enough that they get plenty of views on Facebook, Facebook gets to monetise them, but they see none of that money.
    - white-flame 9y ago
      Worded slightly differently, Funny or Die is incapable of monetizing that product in the current environment, but Facebook is capable of monetizing it. For that specific part of the issue, tough cookies Mr. Funny Man. Somebody got your product for peanuts and is doing way better with it. Now, the other part of the issue would be if something like copyright infringement is happening around how it's being monetized. If so, then it's a real issue. If not, well, we're probably back to tough cookies. They don't own the distribution model, they agreed to it, they have no say otherwise besides to pull their content off and monetize it themselves; or skip the TOS and negotiate a different & specific contract with Facebook directly about how their content is handled (fat chance).
      - Joeboy 9y ago
        > Funny or Die is incapable of monetizing that product in the current environment, but Facebook is capable of monetizing it. For that specific part of the issue, tough cookies Mr. Funny Man. Somebody got your product for peanuts and is doing way better with it. Is it not, in some sense, bad that Facebook is capable of monetizing the product and the people who made it aren't? It seems like you're just arguing that might is right.
        white-flame 9y ago
        Facebook is certainly overpowered and evil with large negative fallout from their behavior. But "They have more resources and cheap licensing of our content, therefore can sell better than us!" isn't an actionable stance of any worth to combat a particular instance. Tons of productive people can't sell well, and are outpaced by inferior products sold by more effective salespeople/marketers/publishers/etc. People are leaving YouTube because it's harder to make money now than it used to be. People will be leaving Facebook as well, the next thing will come along, and the cycle repeats.
        grasshopperpurp 9y ago
        It's bad from FB's side (this is debatable), but that doesn't mean Funny or Die has a viable product. FB makes money off of tons and tons of otherwise non-viable products that are willing to pay FB in the hope that they are viable. If it was viable, it wouldn't need FB. Before the internet, how would they have made money with Funny or Die? They wouldn't. If they would have, they could easily pursue avenues outside of FB, because they still have the internet, and they can still approach publishers and producers - just like before the internet.
- Gargoyle 9y ago
  You know, I was going to respond. I produced multiple million plus views comedy videos. I raked in those fat 4 figure paydays. Heh. But then I realized that was all a decade ago and I have no idea how to do that today. Or if it's even possible now.
- praneshp 9y ago
  Some idiot posting a video of themselves doing something is timepass, not work.

by WA 9y ago

pavel_lishin 9y ago

> Entitlement to get paid to be a comedy writer stays It's like you're saying that it's bad to be expected to get paid for work.

white-flame 9y ago
Being expected to get paid for employment and contractual work is fine. Expecting money to come in just because you spent time working on something, and put it out for the public to see, really isn't. Even if it happened to have made money in prior circumstances. There's tons of work that people do, either out of interest, pleasure, or duty, that has no expectation of monetization attached. Who's going to pay for the work of some hobbyist building a ship in a bottle? Or getting paid for the hard work of redoing your own front yard? Or working on learning how to yodel? Or doing good deeds for others? Work is just effort spent; it's not a guaranteed exchange for money, unless some specific agreement is made.
- pdpi 9y ago
  > Expecting money to come in just because you spent time working on something, and put it out for the public to see, really isn't. Expecting to be paid for work you did that other people are making money out of is perfectly legitimate, though. And that’s what this discussion is about: under the current model, their videos are popular enough that they get plenty of views on Facebook, Facebook gets to monetise them, but they see none of that money.
  - white-flame 9y ago
    Worded slightly differently, Funny or Die is incapable of monetizing that product in the current environment, but Facebook is capable of monetizing it. For that specific part of the issue, tough cookies Mr. Funny Man. Somebody got your product for peanuts and is doing way better with it. Now, the other part of the issue would be if something like copyright infringement is happening around how it's being monetized. If so, then it's a real issue. If not, well, we're probably back to tough cookies. They don't own the distribution model, they agreed to it, they have no say otherwise besides to pull their content off and monetize it themselves; or skip the TOS and negotiate a different & specific contract with Facebook directly about how their content is handled (fat chance).
    - Joeboy 9y ago
      > Funny or Die is incapable of monetizing that product in the current environment, but Facebook is capable of monetizing it. For that specific part of the issue, tough cookies Mr. Funny Man. Somebody got your product for peanuts and is doing way better with it. Is it not, in some sense, bad that Facebook is capable of monetizing the product and the people who made it aren't? It seems like you're just arguing that might is right.
      - white-flame 9y ago
        Facebook is certainly overpowered and evil with large negative fallout from their behavior. But "They have more resources and cheap licensing of our content, therefore can sell better than us!" isn't an actionable stance of any worth to combat a particular instance. Tons of productive people can't sell well, and are outpaced by inferior products sold by more effective salespeople/marketers/publishers/etc. People are leaving YouTube because it's harder to make money now than it used to be. People will be leaving Facebook as well, the next thing will come along, and the cycle repeats.
      - grasshopperpurp 9y ago
        It's bad from FB's side (this is debatable), but that doesn't mean Funny or Die has a viable product. FB makes money off of tons and tons of otherwise non-viable products that are willing to pay FB in the hope that they are viable. If it was viable, it wouldn't need FB. Before the internet, how would they have made money with Funny or Die? They wouldn't. If they would have, they could easily pursue avenues outside of FB, because they still have the internet, and they can still approach publishers and producers - just like before the internet.
Gargoyle 9y ago
You know, I was going to respond. I produced multiple million plus views comedy videos. I raked in those fat 4 figure paydays. Heh. But then I realized that was all a decade ago and I have no idea how to do that today. Or if it's even possible now.
praneshp 9y ago
Some idiot posting a video of themselves doing something is timepass, not work.