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Unlike others here, I don't sympathise with this at all, so this may be unpopular with some people. The complaint however seems to be: "we wanted Facebook to s

Unlike others here, I don't sympathise with this at all, so this may be unpopular with some people. The complaint however seems to be: "we wanted Facebook to serve our interests, but Facebook wanted to serve their own interests for some inexplicable reason, so they suck". I loathe Facebook and think the internet and the world would be a better place without it. I also - for that reason - don't fucking use it (support it) and certainly don't work on content and then put it on Facebook, because it's bleedin' obvious you don't get to 1.5 billion users by supporting other sites. To cap it all, after all his whining, he's still a Facebook user to this day, simply kidding himself that he's sticking it to the man by impotently criticising it. As if anyone at Facebook cares what you do, so long as you do it on Facebook. Facebook is - still - not the internet. If you don't like Facebook, don't use it, and definitely don't put your hard work there. Meanwhile, if people stop visiting your site, maybe look closer to home instead of trying to lay the blame elsewhere. He's basically a million other dinosaurs who had early success with something and is now reduced to self-pity about the 'good old days' because his 15 minutes are up, and people have moved on to something else. Funny or die? Adapt or die.

jktermp 9y ago
"Adapt or die" — you must've thought how cool you are, while typing those words. Typical apologetic BS, by an imbecile from a tech-bro culture. Facebook should and must have responsibility for their actions and their platform. "He's basically a million other dinosaurs" — let's hope you won't become a "dinosaur" one day. No, you won't. You're so smart and edgy, right?
WA 9y ago
I agree, I got the same feeling from this. Furthermore, one might argue this is how it all went along anyways: - Some people start this website Funny or Die - They manage to get some money from it - They get a lot of traffic for free, because of Facebook and their sharing model - They hire more comedy writers - They feel entitled to be paid for their work, because apparently, it works - Facebook changes how they link to websites - Less people visit the website, less money for them, maybe because less people actually care about Funny or Die. Entitlement to get paid to be a comedy writer stays - Whiny post about evil Facebook (and about how brainless people are that they stopped visiting Funny or Die directly)
- pavel_lishin 9y ago
  > Entitlement to get paid to be a comedy writer stays It's like you're saying that it's bad to be expected to get paid for work.
  - white-flame 9y ago
    Being expected to get paid for employment and contractual work is fine. Expecting money to come in just because you spent time working on something, and put it out for the public to see, really isn't. Even if it happened to have made money in prior circumstances. There's tons of work that people do, either out of interest, pleasure, or duty, that has no expectation of monetization attached. Who's going to pay for the work of some hobbyist building a ship in a bottle? Or getting paid for the hard work of redoing your own front yard? Or working on learning how to yodel? Or doing good deeds for others? Work is just effort spent; it's not a guaranteed exchange for money, unless some specific agreement is made.
    - pdpi 9y ago
      > Expecting money to come in just because you spent time working on something, and put it out for the public to see, really isn't. Expecting to be paid for work you did that other people are making money out of is perfectly legitimate, though. And that’s what this discussion is about: under the current model, their videos are popular enough that they get plenty of views on Facebook, Facebook gets to monetise them, but they see none of that money.
      - white-flame 9y ago
        Worded slightly differently, Funny or Die is incapable of monetizing that product in the current environment, but Facebook is capable of monetizing it. For that specific part of the issue, tough cookies Mr. Funny Man. Somebody got your product for peanuts and is doing way better with it. Now, the other part of the issue would be if something like copyright infringement is happening around how it's being monetized. If so, then it's a real issue. If not, well, we're probably back to tough cookies. They don't own the distribution model, they agreed to it, they have no say otherwise besides to pull their content off and monetize it themselves; or skip the TOS and negotiate a different & specific contract with Facebook directly about how their content is handled (fat chance).
birksherty 9y ago
Your are twisting what the person said and then presented it in different way to make it look awful. His main point was that, facebook is getting all the profit instead of content creators. And they are getting sacked. Your comments are derogatory in this topic.
- ndh2 9y ago
  But who's forcing the Funny or Die guy to put content on Facebook?
  - Joeboy 9y ago
    Nobody, but if they didn't then somebody else would put their content on Facebook and claim the income.
    - anoonmoose 9y ago
      Isn't that already illegal with proscribed legal remedies?
      - Joeboy 9y ago
        It's copyright infringement, but that doesn't make it not the case. TBF I'm not entirely sure what the current play is with Facebook and freebooting. Last I knew it seemed like creating original content was extremely financially disincentivized compared to just reuploading other people's.
    - fnl 9y ago
      What about YouTube? I hear people can make a living off that with 100s of thousands of viewers or more - note sure that's Funny or Die's league, though?
    - jasode 9y ago
      How does somebody like NetFlix deal with it? (E.g. a half hour show Standups.[1]) Does a pirate post the Netflix clip and therefore Facebook+pirate make money off of it? Or does Netflix issue a DMCA takedown so fast that it's a non issue? (I realize that FunnyOrDie is voluntarily placing their show on the Facebook platform (and also paying Facebook to place their content there) ... but let's hypothesize what options FunnyOrDie has to keep their content off of Facebook.) [1] https://www.netflix.com/title/80175685 https://www.netflix.com/title/80175685
jonbarker 9y ago
> If you don't like facebook, don't use it. Not sure this is the answer. If enough people on fb created a group asking for a way to pay creative types, I imagine someone inside the place would notice it. That being said, my solution to the fb problem is to use it as little as possible.
shafyy 9y ago
Totally agree. Without Facebook, they would probably never reached this level of success anyways. Also: Don't like Facebook? Don't fucking use it.
- Feniks 9y ago
  Yep the heart of the matter. Techies thought the internet would be an end to gatekeepers and influencers. They were wrong. The Internet did not change humans.
  - shafyy 9y ago
    If something, it gave them a megaphone :-)

jktermp 9y ago

"Adapt or die" — you must've thought how cool you are, while typing those words. Typical apologetic BS, by an imbecile from a tech-bro culture. Facebook should and must have responsibility for their actions and their platform. "He's basically a million other dinosaurs" — let's hope you won't become a "dinosaur" one day. No, you won't. You're so smart and edgy, right?

WA 9y ago

I agree, I got the same feeling from this. Furthermore, one might argue this is how it all went along anyways: - Some people start this website Funny or Die - They manage to get some money from it - They get a lot of traffic for free, because of Facebook and their sharing model - They hire more comedy writers - They feel entitled to be paid for their work, because apparently, it works - Facebook changes how they link to websites - Less people visit the website, less money for them, maybe because less people actually care about Funny or Die. Entitlement to get paid to be a comedy writer stays - Whiny post about evil Facebook (and about how brainless people are that they stopped visiting Funny or Die directly)

pavel_lishin 9y ago
> Entitlement to get paid to be a comedy writer stays It's like you're saying that it's bad to be expected to get paid for work.
- white-flame 9y ago
  Being expected to get paid for employment and contractual work is fine. Expecting money to come in just because you spent time working on something, and put it out for the public to see, really isn't. Even if it happened to have made money in prior circumstances. There's tons of work that people do, either out of interest, pleasure, or duty, that has no expectation of monetization attached. Who's going to pay for the work of some hobbyist building a ship in a bottle? Or getting paid for the hard work of redoing your own front yard? Or working on learning how to yodel? Or doing good deeds for others? Work is just effort spent; it's not a guaranteed exchange for money, unless some specific agreement is made.
  - pdpi 9y ago
    > Expecting money to come in just because you spent time working on something, and put it out for the public to see, really isn't. Expecting to be paid for work you did that other people are making money out of is perfectly legitimate, though. And that’s what this discussion is about: under the current model, their videos are popular enough that they get plenty of views on Facebook, Facebook gets to monetise them, but they see none of that money.
    - white-flame 9y ago
      Worded slightly differently, Funny or Die is incapable of monetizing that product in the current environment, but Facebook is capable of monetizing it. For that specific part of the issue, tough cookies Mr. Funny Man. Somebody got your product for peanuts and is doing way better with it. Now, the other part of the issue would be if something like copyright infringement is happening around how it's being monetized. If so, then it's a real issue. If not, well, we're probably back to tough cookies. They don't own the distribution model, they agreed to it, they have no say otherwise besides to pull their content off and monetize it themselves; or skip the TOS and negotiate a different & specific contract with Facebook directly about how their content is handled (fat chance).

birksherty 9y ago

Your are twisting what the person said and then presented it in different way to make it look awful. His main point was that, facebook is getting all the profit instead of content creators. And they are getting sacked. Your comments are derogatory in this topic.

ndh2 9y ago
But who's forcing the Funny or Die guy to put content on Facebook?
- Joeboy 9y ago
  Nobody, but if they didn't then somebody else would put their content on Facebook and claim the income.
  - anoonmoose 9y ago
    Isn't that already illegal with proscribed legal remedies?
    - Joeboy 9y ago
      It's copyright infringement, but that doesn't make it not the case. TBF I'm not entirely sure what the current play is with Facebook and freebooting. Last I knew it seemed like creating original content was extremely financially disincentivized compared to just reuploading other people's.
  - fnl 9y ago
    What about YouTube? I hear people can make a living off that with 100s of thousands of viewers or more - note sure that's Funny or Die's league, though?
  - jasode 9y ago
    How does somebody like NetFlix deal with it? (E.g. a half hour show Standups.[1]) Does a pirate post the Netflix clip and therefore Facebook+pirate make money off of it? Or does Netflix issue a DMCA takedown so fast that it's a non issue? (I realize that FunnyOrDie is voluntarily placing their show on the Facebook platform (and also paying Facebook to place their content there) ... but let's hypothesize what options FunnyOrDie has to keep their content off of Facebook.) [1] https://www.netflix.com/title/80175685 https://www.netflix.com/title/80175685

jonbarker 9y ago

> If you don't like facebook, don't use it. Not sure this is the answer. If enough people on fb created a group asking for a way to pay creative types, I imagine someone inside the place would notice it. That being said, my solution to the fb problem is to use it as little as possible.

shafyy 9y ago

Totally agree. Without Facebook, they would probably never reached this level of success anyways. Also: Don't like Facebook? Don't fucking use it.

Feniks 9y ago
Yep the heart of the matter. Techies thought the internet would be an end to gatekeepers and influencers. They were wrong. The Internet did not change humans.
- shafyy 9y ago
  If something, it gave them a megaphone :-)