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> The other solution, which seems crazy, is for there to be a meta organizing campaign, where media companies band together and refuse to post on Facebook, esse

by bambax 9y ago

> The other solution, which seems crazy, is for there to be a meta organizing campaign, where media companies band together and refuse to post on Facebook, essentially going on strike and withholding their labor until they are compensated. But why are media companies still posting on FB today, if they don't get compensated for it?? What's the point? Eyeballs with no revenue?? Still, it seems many Youtube personalities are still making money from the videos they post on YT. Why can't others do the same?

MaxBarraclough 9y ago
> Eyeballs with no revenue? Presumably so. Recognition/fame/having a loyal following are going to be of great value to modern stand-up comedians. I imagine Facebook's non-monetized videos are more of an issue for someone using online videos as their primary source of revenue (i.e. YouTube personalities). My understanding is that the music industry has been that way ever since music recordings could be published - top musicians make most of their money from performances, and only a small amount from royalties, but without the recordings they'd never have the large performances.
- jonbarker 9y ago
  Actually the Grateful Dead pioneered this approach. People thought they were crazy giving recordings away.
  - deadbunny 9y ago
    Which works if you have a secondary method of making money (live shows, merch) which I doubt a lot of people making short comedy videos do.
pferde 9y ago
> Still, it seems many Youtube personalities are still making money from the videos they post on YT. Why can't others do the same? Actually, there is a trend in past few months of YT personalities either moving to other sources of monetization, or stopping to bother uploading to YT completely. For example lot of game streamers on Twitch, when asked why they upload so infrequently or not at all lately, they respond that it's not worth their while doing YT content anymore. I think it has to do with YT's latest changes to their policies about video monetization and demonetization, coupled with their (automated) handling of (automated) copyright infringement claims by 3rd parties.
Houshalter 9y ago
Youtube's algorithm really favors long videos now which hurt the market for short comedy skit stuff. And their ad rate is terrible. The onion's channel makes like $150 a video. Which is nothing for professionally made content. Most big youtubers make money by begging for donations.

by bambax 9y ago

MaxBarraclough 9y ago

> Eyeballs with no revenue? Presumably so. Recognition/fame/having a loyal following are going to be of great value to modern stand-up comedians. I imagine Facebook's non-monetized videos are more of an issue for someone using online videos as their primary source of revenue (i.e. YouTube personalities). My understanding is that the music industry has been that way ever since music recordings could be published - top musicians make most of their money from performances, and only a small amount from royalties, but without the recordings they'd never have the large performances.

jonbarker 9y ago
Actually the Grateful Dead pioneered this approach. People thought they were crazy giving recordings away.
- deadbunny 9y ago
  Which works if you have a secondary method of making money (live shows, merch) which I doubt a lot of people making short comedy videos do.

pferde 9y ago

> Still, it seems many Youtube personalities are still making money from the videos they post on YT. Why can't others do the same? Actually, there is a trend in past few months of YT personalities either moving to other sources of monetization, or stopping to bother uploading to YT completely. For example lot of game streamers on Twitch, when asked why they upload so infrequently or not at all lately, they respond that it's not worth their while doing YT content anymore. I think it has to do with YT's latest changes to their policies about video monetization and demonetization, coupled with their (automated) handling of (automated) copyright infringement claims by 3rd parties.

Houshalter 9y ago

Youtube's algorithm really favors long videos now which hurt the market for short comedy skit stuff. And their ad rate is terrible. The onion's channel makes like $150 a video. Which is nothing for professionally made content. Most big youtubers make money by begging for donations.