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Cody extracts mercury by roasting cinnabar which is a mineral rich in HgS - or maybe HgS is called cinnabar - I forget. I'm assuming this mercury is also bound

Cody extracts mercury by roasting cinnabar which is a mineral rich in HgS - or maybe HgS is called cinnabar - I forget. I'm assuming this mercury is also bounded, and not lying around in pools of Hg. Hg is less toxic than Pb, and yet the government is OK with people shooting thousands of kilograms of the stuff over swamps and waterways and food crop fields.

the_cat_kittles 9y ago
you can thank the nra and that idiot ryan zinke for that. i just talked to a scientist today who is publishing a study on how hunting with lead shot, then eating what you hunt, can... wait for it... result in huge amounts of lead in your body, if you do it habitually over time. yet the nra is actively saying there is no science to back up the claim that hunting with lead bullets is a health hazard, and zinke rescinded obamas EO that you cant hunt with lead on federal lands (which was put in place as an attempt to stop poisoning animals who would eat the shot animals). so, alot of people are going to die, and a lot of children are going to be developmentally disabled because of this. its really unconscionable.
carlmr 9y ago
I just buy my Cinnabons at the Cinnabar.
madaxe_again 9y ago
It's going to be biological mercury - from bioaccumulation in top predator tissue which ends up frozen and inert in the permafrost when the top predators die. The thing that makes this really nasty is that biological mercury is most commonly methylmercury - which makes free mercury look like delicious gravy. It's very readily absorbed by tissues, and doesn't leave. God help us if it's acquired a second methyl group through tens of thousands of years of incredibly slow decomposition - dimethylmercury is pretty much the most toxic thing we know of.
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- refurb 9y ago
  I think inferring bioaccumulation is the biggest source is a bit of a stretch. Naturally occurring processes can result in organomercury compounds in soil as well.[1] [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylmercury#Environmental_sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylmercury#Environmental_so...
megaman22 9y ago
You can't shoot lead shot at waterfowl in most jurisdictions these days, and it's been that way for around 20 years at least. I'm not sure that the bismuth and tungsten and other heavier than steel shot that has partly replaced lead is a whole lot better, though...
- kale 9y ago
  From a toxicity standpoint they are safer. Bismuth can be consumed in medicine (Pepto Bismol). I work in toxicology and we are worried about the "big four": lead, cadmium, mercury, and arsenic. These are from the Q3D guidelines on toxicity. Tungsten and Bismuth aren't on the list at all. Nickel is a unique concern, since it's so dang useful in metal alloys, and a high percentage of people have an allergic reaction to nickel particles. Edit for a plug: Don't throw away NiCd batteries folks! Recycle them properly! https://www.call2recycle.org/locator/ https://www.call2recycle.org/locator/
  - wincy 9y ago
    I guess I'm getting pretty far off topic from the original discussion, but being allergic to nickel is really annoying. I bought these nickel free stainless steel pans, because apparently stainless steel has nickel in it to make it shinier. I had to buy three different "nickel free" belt buckles (don't trust random Amazon products to be free of an allergen, even if they claim it!) before I got one that doesn't make my skin break out, and I have to wear plastic glasses because my skin and the metal on glasses doesn't play nice. Even the rivets in some jeans cause problems.
    - kale 9y ago
      Stainless Steel is a huge class of metals, most (but not all) have nickel in them. Also alloys of cupronickel, coin metal, cobalt chromium, and nitinol all have nickel in them. And certain countries lie constantly about nickel content in metal they sell. When we source for medical implants, we have to specify no material from certain countries, because we can't trust their certifications, and we can't re-do all of the certification testing on our own. Nickel is just too useful (and pre-existing in a lot of metal ores, I think) to stop using it, despite the fact that a large percentage of people are allergic to it.

the_cat_kittles 9y ago

you can thank the nra and that idiot ryan zinke for that. i just talked to a scientist today who is publishing a study on how hunting with lead shot, then eating what you hunt, can... wait for it... result in huge amounts of lead in your body, if you do it habitually over time. yet the nra is actively saying there is no science to back up the claim that hunting with lead bullets is a health hazard, and zinke rescinded obamas EO that you cant hunt with lead on federal lands (which was put in place as an attempt to stop poisoning animals who would eat the shot animals). so, alot of people are going to die, and a lot of children are going to be developmentally disabled because of this. its really unconscionable.

carlmr 9y ago

I just buy my Cinnabons at the Cinnabar.

madaxe_again 9y ago

It's going to be biological mercury - from bioaccumulation in top predator tissue which ends up frozen and inert in the permafrost when the top predators die. The thing that makes this really nasty is that biological mercury is most commonly methylmercury - which makes free mercury look like delicious gravy. It's very readily absorbed by tissues, and doesn't leave. God help us if it's acquired a second methyl group through tens of thousands of years of incredibly slow decomposition - dimethylmercury is pretty much the most toxic thing we know of.

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refurb 9y ago
I think inferring bioaccumulation is the biggest source is a bit of a stretch. Naturally occurring processes can result in organomercury compounds in soil as well.[1] [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylmercury#Environmental_sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylmercury#Environmental_so...

megaman22 9y ago

You can't shoot lead shot at waterfowl in most jurisdictions these days, and it's been that way for around 20 years at least. I'm not sure that the bismuth and tungsten and other heavier than steel shot that has partly replaced lead is a whole lot better, though...

kale 9y ago
From a toxicity standpoint they are safer. Bismuth can be consumed in medicine (Pepto Bismol). I work in toxicology and we are worried about the "big four": lead, cadmium, mercury, and arsenic. These are from the Q3D guidelines on toxicity. Tungsten and Bismuth aren't on the list at all. Nickel is a unique concern, since it's so dang useful in metal alloys, and a high percentage of people have an allergic reaction to nickel particles. Edit for a plug: Don't throw away NiCd batteries folks! Recycle them properly! https://www.call2recycle.org/locator/ https://www.call2recycle.org/locator/
- wincy 9y ago
  I guess I'm getting pretty far off topic from the original discussion, but being allergic to nickel is really annoying. I bought these nickel free stainless steel pans, because apparently stainless steel has nickel in it to make it shinier. I had to buy three different "nickel free" belt buckles (don't trust random Amazon products to be free of an allergen, even if they claim it!) before I got one that doesn't make my skin break out, and I have to wear plastic glasses because my skin and the metal on glasses doesn't play nice. Even the rivets in some jeans cause problems.
  - kale 9y ago
    Stainless Steel is a huge class of metals, most (but not all) have nickel in them. Also alloys of cupronickel, coin metal, cobalt chromium, and nitinol all have nickel in them. And certain countries lie constantly about nickel content in metal they sell. When we source for medical implants, we have to specify no material from certain countries, because we can't trust their certifications, and we can't re-do all of the certification testing on our own. Nickel is just too useful (and pre-existing in a lot of metal ores, I think) to stop using it, despite the fact that a large percentage of people are allergic to it.