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Protein is good, but not too much from meat: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27479196 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27479196 > CONCLUSIONS AND RELEV

Protein is good, but not too much from meat: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27479196 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27479196 > CONCLUSIONS AND RELEVANCE: > High animal protein intake was positively associated with cardiovascular mortality and high plant protein intake was inversely associated with all-cause and cardiovascular mortality, especially among individuals with at least 1 lifestyle risk factor. Substitution of plant protein for animal protein, especially that from processed red meat, was associated with lower mortality, suggesting the importance of protein source.

justboxing 9y ago
Thanks. Do you know of any naturally-high-in-protein plant-based source that isn't soy (i.e. tofu etc) or hemp? Asking cos I've had a hard time finding protein dense plant based alternatives, and as a vegetarian, it's really hard to get a lot of proteins from plant-based sources without processed stuff like Vega etc. I do eat quinoa but 1) it's very expensive and 2) you have to eat 2 or 3 cups of cooked quinoa to get like 25 gms of protein which is a lot of quinoa per day.
- thesmallestcat 9y ago
  I think there have even been studies that correlate all protein intake (regardless of source) inversely with longevity, so I try not to get too worked up about not having a meal with a lot of it. Beans, lentils, peanuts, etc. have a decent amount of protein, but even bread has protein and nowadays it's not hard to find high fiber, high protein bread. I love meat so this is all difficult, and I hope to eat less over time. I think it's a balance between the short-term benefits of protein (energy, muscle) and the long term effects of high protein consumption (tough on your organs).
- oh_sigh 9y ago
  There is protein powder available from plant only sources, like pea protein. It is obviously processed(not sure how strictly you are against processing), but 'pea protein(extracted from yellow peas)' is the only ingredient in my whole foods version. 20g of it has 15g protein, <1g carbs, 1.5g fat. edit: Just looked up vega and it looks like it is just plant protein like I recommended - sorry about that. What's wrong with extracting proteins out of plant matter? You don't end up with any noticeable amount of reagents or any intermediaries in the final product, thanks to chemistry.
- jseliger 9y ago
  Nuts. To a lesser but still significant extent, legumes.
- racer-v 9y ago
  Plant sources tend to have a higher ratio of calories to protein, so it's tough if you're limiting calories. Chickpeas, eggplant, and tahini all have protein; Trader Joe's Eggplant Hummus has all three, but somehow manages to claim a lower calorie-to-protein ratio than any of its ingredients (not sure how that can work). Mushrooms are good too. Also seitan if you don't mind something a little more "processed".
  - erikpukinskis 9y ago
    > somehow manages to claim a lower calorie-to-protein ratio than any of its ingredients Hummus usually has more oil added on top of the tahini. And chickpeas are the main ingredient and they have a lot of starch on top of the protein.
    - racer-v 9y ago
      Right, that's why I find their nutritional claim hard to believe: 2g protein per 35 KCal is better than tahini, eggplant, or chickpea individually.
- acconrad 9y ago
  pea protein is a very cheap vegan source
- erikpukinskis 9y ago
  Soy is safe for all but a small few who are allergic. (true of any food) The dairy industry did a stupendous job convincing people it will interfere with their hormones though. Master class in PR.
matte_black 9y ago
Does animal protein include whey protein?

justboxing 9y ago

Thanks. Do you know of any naturally-high-in-protein plant-based source that isn't soy (i.e. tofu etc) or hemp? Asking cos I've had a hard time finding protein dense plant based alternatives, and as a vegetarian, it's really hard to get a lot of proteins from plant-based sources without processed stuff like Vega etc. I do eat quinoa but 1) it's very expensive and 2) you have to eat 2 or 3 cups of cooked quinoa to get like 25 gms of protein which is a lot of quinoa per day.

thesmallestcat 9y ago
I think there have even been studies that correlate all protein intake (regardless of source) inversely with longevity, so I try not to get too worked up about not having a meal with a lot of it. Beans, lentils, peanuts, etc. have a decent amount of protein, but even bread has protein and nowadays it's not hard to find high fiber, high protein bread. I love meat so this is all difficult, and I hope to eat less over time. I think it's a balance between the short-term benefits of protein (energy, muscle) and the long term effects of high protein consumption (tough on your organs).
oh_sigh 9y ago
There is protein powder available from plant only sources, like pea protein. It is obviously processed(not sure how strictly you are against processing), but 'pea protein(extracted from yellow peas)' is the only ingredient in my whole foods version. 20g of it has 15g protein, <1g carbs, 1.5g fat. edit: Just looked up vega and it looks like it is just plant protein like I recommended - sorry about that. What's wrong with extracting proteins out of plant matter? You don't end up with any noticeable amount of reagents or any intermediaries in the final product, thanks to chemistry.
jseliger 9y ago
Nuts. To a lesser but still significant extent, legumes.
racer-v 9y ago
Plant sources tend to have a higher ratio of calories to protein, so it's tough if you're limiting calories. Chickpeas, eggplant, and tahini all have protein; Trader Joe's Eggplant Hummus has all three, but somehow manages to claim a lower calorie-to-protein ratio than any of its ingredients (not sure how that can work). Mushrooms are good too. Also seitan if you don't mind something a little more "processed".
- erikpukinskis 9y ago
  > somehow manages to claim a lower calorie-to-protein ratio than any of its ingredients Hummus usually has more oil added on top of the tahini. And chickpeas are the main ingredient and they have a lot of starch on top of the protein.
  - racer-v 9y ago
    Right, that's why I find their nutritional claim hard to believe: 2g protein per 35 KCal is better than tahini, eggplant, or chickpea individually.
acconrad 9y ago
pea protein is a very cheap vegan source
erikpukinskis 9y ago
Soy is safe for all but a small few who are allergic. (true of any food) The dairy industry did a stupendous job convincing people it will interfere with their hormones though. Master class in PR.

matte_black 9y ago

Does animal protein include whey protein?