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We get these type of fads every decade. Cholesterol was bad for you then fats were bad for you. Then it was running. Then hiking. It never ends. My grandparent

We get these type of fads every decade. Cholesterol was bad for you then fats were bad for you. Then it was running. Then hiking. It never ends. My grandparents lived well into their 90s. All you have to do is eat well and try to be active from time to time. But there is a growing weightlifting movement with a healthy marketing budget...

InclinedPlane 9y ago
Many people who smoke have lived into their 90s. That's not a good reason to smoke. Anecdotes are not data.
- wppick 9y ago
  Data is not the whole picture. Maybe more protein is great for adding muscle mass, and bad for a different reason... The article lists beef as it's first source of protein besides protein shakes. Beef is a class 2A carcinogen. I stopped reading there.
  - always_good 9y ago
    "On the other hand, any form of protein is likely to be effective, it concludes, not merely high-protein shakes and supplements. Beef, chicken, yogurt and even protein from peas or quinoa could help us to build larger and stronger muscles." That's really the part you took issue with? That's a list of protein examples, not "it's first source of protein." It even says "any form of protein is likely to be effective." Fake HN outrage? It goes on to say "On the other hand and conveniently, any type of and time for protein was fine. The gains were similar if people downed their protein immediately after a workout or in the hours earlier or later, and it made no difference if the protein was solid or liquid, soy, beef, vegan or any other."
    - erikpukinskis 9y ago
      Was your OP outraged?
  - xupybd 9y ago
    I saw "Beef is a class 2A carcinogen" and suspect you just watched "What the health"? If so there are claims that that movie got a few things wrong. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/what-the-health-a-movie-with-an-agenda/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/what-the-health-a-movie-wit...
    - xupybd 9y ago
      Also class 2A carcinogens are simply a class of things that probably increases your chance of cancer. That doesn't mean it gives you a huge chance of cancer most of the time the increased risk is trivial. To give some context red meat is on the same list as: Hairdresser or barber (occupational exposure as a) Shift work that involves circadian disruption Very hot beverages (more than 65℃) High-temperature frying, emissions from Household combustion of biomass fuel (primarily wood), indoor emissions from Source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IARC_Group_2A_carcinogens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IARC_Group_2A_carcinog...
- mcbits 9y ago
  Anecdotes are the data that lead to further investigation. It would be nice to know what, if anything, is different about those data points who smoke yet still live into their 90s. If it's due to lifestyle factors, maybe there are practices that smokers would be able to adopt even while they're unsuccessful at quitting.
rb666 9y ago
Anecdotes are not facts. Cholesterol and most fats are still generally bad for you, it's not so black and white, it never is or was. It's not an excuse to stuff yourself with cheeseburgers.

InclinedPlane 9y ago

Many people who smoke have lived into their 90s. That's not a good reason to smoke. Anecdotes are not data.

wppick 9y ago
Data is not the whole picture. Maybe more protein is great for adding muscle mass, and bad for a different reason... The article lists beef as it's first source of protein besides protein shakes. Beef is a class 2A carcinogen. I stopped reading there.
- always_good 9y ago
  "On the other hand, any form of protein is likely to be effective, it concludes, not merely high-protein shakes and supplements. Beef, chicken, yogurt and even protein from peas or quinoa could help us to build larger and stronger muscles." That's really the part you took issue with? That's a list of protein examples, not "it's first source of protein." It even says "any form of protein is likely to be effective." Fake HN outrage? It goes on to say "On the other hand and conveniently, any type of and time for protein was fine. The gains were similar if people downed their protein immediately after a workout or in the hours earlier or later, and it made no difference if the protein was solid or liquid, soy, beef, vegan or any other."
  - erikpukinskis 9y ago
    Was your OP outraged?
- xupybd 9y ago
  I saw "Beef is a class 2A carcinogen" and suspect you just watched "What the health"? If so there are claims that that movie got a few things wrong. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/what-the-health-a-movie-with-an-agenda/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/what-the-health-a-movie-wit...
  - xupybd 9y ago
    Also class 2A carcinogens are simply a class of things that probably increases your chance of cancer. That doesn't mean it gives you a huge chance of cancer most of the time the increased risk is trivial. To give some context red meat is on the same list as: Hairdresser or barber (occupational exposure as a) Shift work that involves circadian disruption Very hot beverages (more than 65℃) High-temperature frying, emissions from Household combustion of biomass fuel (primarily wood), indoor emissions from Source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IARC_Group_2A_carcinogens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IARC_Group_2A_carcinog...
mcbits 9y ago
Anecdotes are the data that lead to further investigation. It would be nice to know what, if anything, is different about those data points who smoke yet still live into their 90s. If it's due to lifestyle factors, maybe there are practices that smokers would be able to adopt even while they're unsuccessful at quitting.

rb666 9y ago

Anecdotes are not facts. Cholesterol and most fats are still generally bad for you, it's not so black and white, it never is or was. It's not an excuse to stuff yourself with cheeseburgers.