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Which is to keep the evil hackers out, but has the additional benefit that they can have a captive market for a $100 part that would normally be $1. The afterma

Which is to keep the evil hackers out, but has the additional benefit that they can have a captive market for a $100 part that would normally be $1. The aftermarket suppliers are locked out of the market because they don't have the private keys to handshake on the bus. (happily keeping my late 90's car running, although my most recent car literally has gone 100k miles with _NOTHING_ but oil, tires and brake pads). Its now at its first service interval and I'm wondering if I should just trade it in before anything breaks.

millzlane 9y ago
I'd keep it until the wheels fell off. I had a 91 Nissan that had very few problems unlike my 13' vw tdi. I'm not excited about the future of automobiles for people that like driving and repairing their own vehicles. With countries legislating gas burning vehicles it's likely to increase the production of electric vehicles and most likely self driving vehicles. Which is great if you want to live a couple hours away and sleep on the way in to work. But imagine the vehicle malfunctioning for something like a simple cold start issue that can be resolved with a can of starter fluid. A quick trip to the part store turns into a month in the service center. Not excited at all.
bonestamp2 9y ago
> The aftermarket suppliers are locked out of the market because they don't have the private keys to handshake on the bus. That is a potential problem, especially for "hacker" type suppliers (offering performance components for example). That said, the manufacturer I work with sells their diagnostic tool to the aftermarket, so at least aftermarket garages can get access for repairs.
sooper 9y ago
Something which is already being seen in the farming market: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/xykkkd/why-american-farmers-are-hacking-their-tractors-with-ukrainian-firmware https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/xykkkd/why-americ...
- bonestamp2 9y ago
  Yes, the John Deere situation will likely drive change in the automotive world too. There is already a pretty strong "right to repair" law in MA, and it will likely inform the laws that are written in other states or maybe even at a federal level. All automakers have to conform to the MA law already, but I'm not sure if that law applies to farming/John Deere as well.

millzlane 9y ago

I'd keep it until the wheels fell off. I had a 91 Nissan that had very few problems unlike my 13' vw tdi. I'm not excited about the future of automobiles for people that like driving and repairing their own vehicles. With countries legislating gas burning vehicles it's likely to increase the production of electric vehicles and most likely self driving vehicles. Which is great if you want to live a couple hours away and sleep on the way in to work. But imagine the vehicle malfunctioning for something like a simple cold start issue that can be resolved with a can of starter fluid. A quick trip to the part store turns into a month in the service center. Not excited at all.

bonestamp2 9y ago

> The aftermarket suppliers are locked out of the market because they don't have the private keys to handshake on the bus. That is a potential problem, especially for "hacker" type suppliers (offering performance components for example). That said, the manufacturer I work with sells their diagnostic tool to the aftermarket, so at least aftermarket garages can get access for repairs.

sooper 9y ago

Something which is already being seen in the farming market: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/xykkkd/why-american-farmers-are-hacking-their-tractors-with-ukrainian-firmware https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/xykkkd/why-americ...

bonestamp2 9y ago
Yes, the John Deere situation will likely drive change in the automotive world too. There is already a pretty strong "right to repair" law in MA, and it will likely inform the laws that are written in other states or maybe even at a federal level. All automakers have to conform to the MA law already, but I'm not sure if that law applies to farming/John Deere as well.