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> grandma-old-style FWIW I see lots of people in their 20s dressed as grandmas (at least in major US cities).

white-flame 9y ago
Ah, but assuming you're at least a decade older than that, are they dressed like your grandma's generation, or like theirs? If they dressed like theirs, they'd be unfashionably outdated. If they dressed like yours, they're rediscovering new old fashion trends.
- electricslpnsld 9y ago
  Late 20s here. I'm talking Golden Girls-esque 1980s old people clothes.
  - 534b44a 9y ago
    I've seen a few young adult females wearing some 90s style retro sportswear alongside with modern clothes (e.g. a Nike retro windbreaker) and I remember I found them (the persons) quite pretty.
    - jdietrich 9y ago
      https://www.thecut.com/2017/05/new-fashion-trends-normcore-gorpcore.html https://www.thecut.com/2017/05/new-fashion-trends-normcore-g...
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  - usrusr 9y ago
    Old people look old not because of their outdated fashion style but because of their age. Kind of obvious, but we really like to forget that, over and over again (maybe to distract us from our own aging). When isolated from the aging payload and put on fresh bodies (sorry for the cynical wording), time-tested styles work remarkably well. On top of that is a short window where the last generation using a given style has just disappeared from the streets enough to to avoid confusion, but memory of wrinkled faces is still fresh enough to make youthfulness stand out by contrast.
- jdietrich 9y ago
  The most fashionable thing anyone can possibly wear is the least fashionable thing. It's an incredibly potent counter-signal. Haute couture is deliberately, wilfully hideous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersignaling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersignaling https://www.balenciaga.com/us/men/ready-to-wear https://www.balenciaga.com/us/men/ready-to-wear
  - nitrogen 9y ago
    When/where/by whom are those meant to be worn, who receives the signal, and what is the intended effect?
  - BigJono 9y ago
    Are those prices in USD? Surely if you're deliberately trying to look shit you don't spend $1,000 on each piece of clothing to do so...
  - usrusr 9y ago
    Not anyone, only those lucky enough to have sufficient inherent attractiveness to outshine anything they could put on. When those have established a new aesthetic (either top-down/haute, or bottom-up/street), the industry comes in and skillfully polishes away the rough edges so that the basic idea can also work on the less fortunate, who will then for a brief period be able to enjoy a "pretty by association" halo effect. Sceptics sometimes consider the fashion lifecycle to be some kind of artificial conspiracy made up by the industry to create demand, but I think it is more an emergent phenomenon of human interaction that could only ever be subdued by extreme scarcity or by draconian regulation (e.g. rules applying to lower classes in many feudal society).
ulzeraj 9y ago
I’ve seen lots of Japanese girls dressed as grandmas last time I’ve visited the country. The style is actually pretty cute on young girls.

Ah, but assuming you're at least a decade older than that, are they dressed like your grandma's generation, or like theirs? If they dressed like theirs, they'd be unfashionably outdated. If they dressed like yours, they're rediscovering new old fashion trends.

electricslpnsld 9y ago
Late 20s here. I'm talking Golden Girls-esque 1980s old people clothes.
- 534b44a 9y ago
  I've seen a few young adult females wearing some 90s style retro sportswear alongside with modern clothes (e.g. a Nike retro windbreaker) and I remember I found them (the persons) quite pretty.
  - jdietrich 9y ago
    https://www.thecut.com/2017/05/new-fashion-trends-normcore-gorpcore.html https://www.thecut.com/2017/05/new-fashion-trends-normcore-g...
    - deleted 9y ago
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- usrusr 9y ago
  Old people look old not because of their outdated fashion style but because of their age. Kind of obvious, but we really like to forget that, over and over again (maybe to distract us from our own aging). When isolated from the aging payload and put on fresh bodies (sorry for the cynical wording), time-tested styles work remarkably well. On top of that is a short window where the last generation using a given style has just disappeared from the streets enough to to avoid confusion, but memory of wrinkled faces is still fresh enough to make youthfulness stand out by contrast.
jdietrich 9y ago
The most fashionable thing anyone can possibly wear is the least fashionable thing. It's an incredibly potent counter-signal. Haute couture is deliberately, wilfully hideous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersignaling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersignaling https://www.balenciaga.com/us/men/ready-to-wear https://www.balenciaga.com/us/men/ready-to-wear
- nitrogen 9y ago
  When/where/by whom are those meant to be worn, who receives the signal, and what is the intended effect?
- BigJono 9y ago
  Are those prices in USD? Surely if you're deliberately trying to look shit you don't spend $1,000 on each piece of clothing to do so...
- usrusr 9y ago
  Not anyone, only those lucky enough to have sufficient inherent attractiveness to outshine anything they could put on. When those have established a new aesthetic (either top-down/haute, or bottom-up/street), the industry comes in and skillfully polishes away the rough edges so that the basic idea can also work on the less fortunate, who will then for a brief period be able to enjoy a "pretty by association" halo effect. Sceptics sometimes consider the fashion lifecycle to be some kind of artificial conspiracy made up by the industry to create demand, but I think it is more an emergent phenomenon of human interaction that could only ever be subdued by extreme scarcity or by draconian regulation (e.g. rules applying to lower classes in many feudal society).

ulzeraj 9y ago

I’ve seen lots of Japanese girls dressed as grandmas last time I’ve visited the country. The style is actually pretty cute on young girls.