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This makes me think Adobe is starting to sweat a little about their reliance on Java. It underlies a good portion of their tools.

by carson 16y ago

vijaydev 16y ago
Which tools?
- anigbrowl 16y ago
  Lots of high-level functionality in their Creative Suite stuff is done in JavaScript. Photoshop and Illustrator in particular, also quite a lot of After Effects addons. Then there's a tool called ExtendScript which is a lightly customized JS implementation/toolchain for messaging and passing projects between their applications. That's the only coding I ever do nowadays, actually. My guess is they're worried about getting hit with a legal brick too, since it would really mess up their roadmap. Maybe they'll develop a sudden enthusiasm for Python :-)
  - regularfry 16y ago
    What's that got to do with Java?
    - anigbrowl 16y ago
      Technically, nothing. Legally, Oracle has patents relating to both. I should have said 'It's not just Java,but JavaScript too...'.
  - etherael 16y ago
    Java is not JavaScript. the two are entirely unrelated aside from the name.
    - etherael 16y ago
      That said, coldfusion is actually implemented via bastard hellish Java classes attached to a demon spawned plethora of angry revenants turning the rusty wheel of the terror inspiring demonic abortion that Adobe does indeed currently hold dominion over, those 12k p/a fealty bonds they get from their thralls does make them not quite as disinterested as you might think.
    - anigbrowl 16y ago
      Yes, my error. But the reason I mentioned JavaScript is that Oracle happens to own the trademark on it: http://www.trademarkia.com/javascript-75026640.html http://www.trademarkia.com/javascript-75026640.html As far as I know, Extendscript does not use any Sun IP (it was originally written by a Michael Daumling), but there are numerous Sun patents specifically related to JavaScript interpreters, accessing APIs via JavaScript, and so forth, mostly from 2000-2003. JavaScript as a language came from Netscape, but it's hard to say exactly where their IP ends and Sun/Oracle IP begins. So there is a little more to my remark than just the verbal similarity.
  - zatara 16y ago
    Java is to JavaScript what Car is to Carpet.
    - OmIsMyShield 16y ago
      ...and Monk to Monkey
- bmj 16y ago
  ColdFusion is built on Java.
- carson 16y ago
  Flash Builder, Flex, AIR, Cold Fusion and JRun are all Java based. If Oracle were to do with Java what Apple did with the iPhone and close off any third party tools Adobe could be in rough shape. It is hard to imagine that happening but Oracle does have some competing products like JavaFX and WebLogic that probably make it interesting.

This makes me think Adobe is starting to sweat a little about their reliance on Java. It underlies a good portion of their tools.

by carson 16y ago

This makes me think Adobe is starting to sweat a little about their reliance on Java. It underlies a good portion of their tools.

vijaydev 16y ago

Which tools?

anigbrowl 16y ago
Lots of high-level functionality in their Creative Suite stuff is done in JavaScript. Photoshop and Illustrator in particular, also quite a lot of After Effects addons. Then there's a tool called ExtendScript which is a lightly customized JS implementation/toolchain for messaging and passing projects between their applications. That's the only coding I ever do nowadays, actually. My guess is they're worried about getting hit with a legal brick too, since it would really mess up their roadmap. Maybe they'll develop a sudden enthusiasm for Python :-)
- regularfry 16y ago
  What's that got to do with Java?
  - anigbrowl 16y ago
    Technically, nothing. Legally, Oracle has patents relating to both. I should have said 'It's not just Java,but JavaScript too...'.
- etherael 16y ago
  Java is not JavaScript. the two are entirely unrelated aside from the name.
  - etherael 16y ago
    That said, coldfusion is actually implemented via bastard hellish Java classes attached to a demon spawned plethora of angry revenants turning the rusty wheel of the terror inspiring demonic abortion that Adobe does indeed currently hold dominion over, those 12k p/a fealty bonds they get from their thralls does make them not quite as disinterested as you might think.
  - anigbrowl 16y ago
    Yes, my error. But the reason I mentioned JavaScript is that Oracle happens to own the trademark on it: http://www.trademarkia.com/javascript-75026640.html http://www.trademarkia.com/javascript-75026640.html As far as I know, Extendscript does not use any Sun IP (it was originally written by a Michael Daumling), but there are numerous Sun patents specifically related to JavaScript interpreters, accessing APIs via JavaScript, and so forth, mostly from 2000-2003. JavaScript as a language came from Netscape, but it's hard to say exactly where their IP ends and Sun/Oracle IP begins. So there is a little more to my remark than just the verbal similarity.
- zatara 16y ago
  Java is to JavaScript what Car is to Carpet.
  - OmIsMyShield 16y ago
    ...and Monk to Monkey
bmj 16y ago
ColdFusion is built on Java.
carson 16y ago
Flash Builder, Flex, AIR, Cold Fusion and JRun are all Java based. If Oracle were to do with Java what Apple did with the iPhone and close off any third party tools Adobe could be in rough shape. It is hard to imagine that happening but Oracle does have some competing products like JavaFX and WebLogic that probably make it interesting.