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I'm not sure what gender has to do with that thread From my experience. Being an asshole is not a gendered trait

Analemma_ 9y ago
> Being an asshole is not a gendered trait When considering a sufficiently zoomed-out view of all the different ways to be an asshole, I think you're right. But the particular form of asshole-ishness in this thread– swaggering in and immediately starting with demands ("You will revise your mozconfig..."), responding with passive-aggressive logical handwaving about how the person will never be listened to again ("you are dismissed from all further conversation on this matter...")– is strongly gendered, in my experience, and it's all too common in the open-source world. The Atwood/Gruber Markdown spat, the Debian/XScreenSaver version warning, and the Bootstrap/JSMin semicolon debacle are all good previous examples of the same dynamic here. In all cases, there were no or very minor actual technical disagreements; all the sound and fury was just men digging in and refusing to give an inch of ground to another person who had very good points, while being as aggressive as possible to guarantee a real resolution couldn't be reached. We could use a lot less of that.
- IntelMiner 9y ago
  Again. I think you're drawing conclusions where there are none. For the sake of better fitting your examples. I'll say ego isn't a gendered trait. Versus describing someone as an asshole Having a massive ego is just a thing that some people have. It's human, and humans are flawed individuals. Yes. There's a lot more men in computing. So there's a lot more examples of ego clashing from "men". But I'd suspect the dynamic not to change much if it was a true 50/50 split. Or even a complete reversal of the current gender bias (something like 90% men I'm told? it's hard to get accurate statistics) For a specific citation against this theory (though I try to avoid mailing list fights). I'd point to the Libreboot project. Where the lead (and possibly only?) developer went on a personal crusade against the Free Software Foundation. Using the project as a spearhead to personally demean them for a perceived attack against someone else

> Being an asshole is not a gendered trait When considering a sufficiently zoomed-out view of all the different ways to be an asshole, I think you're right. But the particular form of asshole-ishness in this thread– swaggering in and immediately starting with demands ("You will revise your mozconfig..."), responding with passive-aggressive logical handwaving about how the person will never be listened to again ("you are dismissed from all further conversation on this matter...")– is strongly gendered, in my experience, and it's all too common in the open-source world. The Atwood/Gruber Markdown spat, the Debian/XScreenSaver version warning, and the Bootstrap/JSMin semicolon debacle are all good previous examples of the same dynamic here. In all cases, there were no or very minor actual technical disagreements; all the sound and fury was just men digging in and refusing to give an inch of ground to another person who had very good points, while being as aggressive as possible to guarantee a real resolution couldn't be reached. We could use a lot less of that.

IntelMiner 9y ago
Again. I think you're drawing conclusions where there are none. For the sake of better fitting your examples. I'll say ego isn't a gendered trait. Versus describing someone as an asshole Having a massive ego is just a thing that some people have. It's human, and humans are flawed individuals. Yes. There's a lot more men in computing. So there's a lot more examples of ego clashing from "men". But I'd suspect the dynamic not to change much if it was a true 50/50 split. Or even a complete reversal of the current gender bias (something like 90% men I'm told? it's hard to get accurate statistics) For a specific citation against this theory (though I try to avoid mailing list fights). I'd point to the Libreboot project. Where the lead (and possibly only?) developer went on a personal crusade against the Free Software Foundation. Using the project as a spearhead to personally demean them for a perceived attack against someone else