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>The Chinese social rating is imposed from the top down on its citizens. >On the other hand, this particular article is about about tradespeople (think carpent

>The Chinese social rating is imposed from the top down on its citizens. >On the other hand, this particular article is about about tradespeople (think carpenters, programmers, etc) that want to have a reputation -- so they are more marketable to potential clients. The problem for them is that their reputation karma is locked and controlled in a proprietary platform (e.g. Upwork, or AngiesList, etc). It's not portable. Hmm, well let's compare. From this article: 'I tried to reach them and I was really upset because I had built that profile... I couldn't take my profile and move it. I lost everything but they didn't really care because it says in their terms and conditions they can close any account without reason. -Nick From this[1] article: Chen Chao, a 34-year-old vendor also waiting in line, agreed. “If you didn’t commit a crime, why do you need to look at your file?” he asked, adding that he’s looking forward to an e-system. “An electric file will be more convenient for me. I believe the workers here have professional ethics, so they won’t leak my information.” and “I just opened the app, showed my score, they took down my name and phone number and I breezed through in five minutes,” said Yolanda Liu, 30, who works for a state-owned sports organisation. “China needs a credit system so that people like me who are responsible can get more benefits.” Is China really imposed? After all look! People there really want to have a reputation - so they can get credit advantages. The problem for them is that their reputation karma is locked and controlled on the dang'an paper record system. >The article discusses how tradespeople are unhappy they can't get references from previous jobs or a gig platform deletes their ratings.) From those pain points, the author hypothesizes some ideas about decentralization of ratings. That SCMP article discusses how Chinese citizens are unhappy they can't get advantages for being a good citizen. From those pain points, the Chinese government has hypothesized some ideas about a rating system. Is your only problem with the Chinese system the centralization? >She's saying there's a bottom up set of voluntary market desires and wondering if a technical solution can be developed for them. And when it comes out are you going to use a service from gig workers who opt out? If American gig workers' livelihoods depend on using portable ratings, maybe you should reconsider how voluntary it really is. >Yes, the China ratings system is also an important human rights issue I'm curious, why do you think it's a human rights issue? Is it just that it's controlled by the government? I wouldn't think that would, in itself, constitute a human rights issue so there must be another component. >I think your links to China's "social credit" system have invited comments that have derailed what this thread's submitted article is actually about Well no, I think my links to China's social credit system have shown what 'portable ratings' really are. Truth through analogy maybe. [1] http://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/1882533/big-brother-watching-how-china-compiling-computer http://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/188...

jasode 9y ago
>Is China really imposed? Yes. The official Chinese government is developing it and planning to force it on its citizens. The soundbites from a Chinese citizen that wants it may not be representative of the China population. On the other hand, this article is spitballing some technical ideas to help freelancers. The author, Cassie Robinson is not a government official forcing these ratings on everyone. Ultimately, her idea may (1) gain zero traction and (2) be technically unfeasible. >I'm curious, why do you think it's a human rights issue? The common complaints center on "right to be forgotten", "unfairness", "ostracization", etc. >And when it comes out are you going to use a service from gig workers who opt out? I think many people will. Today, many hire contractors that don't have ratings on AngiesList. Not sure why you think the only end game is that people who opt out of portable ratings will get no work.
- frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
  >Yes. The official Chinese government is developing it and planning to force it on its citizens. So your only problem is that it's the government? I guess I see a lot more wrong with it. Actually that's unfair you do see another problem with it: >The common complaints center on "right to be forgotten", "unfairness", "ostracization", etc. So don't American workers deserve those same rights? How is it that an Uber Driver or Food-Delivery Professional or whatever we call it has a "right to be forgotten" when the only way for him to get work is to consent to a permanent report card which follows him wherever he goes? >some technical ideas to help freelancers. That's exactly my point on viewpoint! Right, this is an 'interesting technical problem' while Social Credit is 'Orwellian.' >On the other hand, this article is spitballing People in the Chinese government were just spitballing at one point as well. I'm just pointing and saying: "that's a nasty looking spitball Cassie just hocked up." Besides she mentions two companies working in this space, quick tell me, doesn't this sound like Chinese Social Credit? "Empowering trustworthy people to build a fairer world." "the old credit score system does not recognize you as a trustworthy citizen. Prove how wrong they are and get the conditions you deserve." "We need a new form of credit score that empowers people. Fortunately today we have new data sources to assess whether people behave well and are trustworthy. Traity´s algorithms use non-credit data like eBay or AirBnB profiles, FB and LinkedIn social networks, to determine people’s trustworthiness, giving you the chance to get access to the services you need at the prices you deserve." Yeah, they're all from traity.com. This is something that we need to push back against. >The author, Cassie Robinson is not a government official forcing these ratings on everyone. Correct.

jasode 9y ago

>Is China really imposed? Yes. The official Chinese government is developing it and planning to force it on its citizens. The soundbites from a Chinese citizen that wants it may not be representative of the China population. On the other hand, this article is spitballing some technical ideas to help freelancers. The author, Cassie Robinson is not a government official forcing these ratings on everyone. Ultimately, her idea may (1) gain zero traction and (2) be technically unfeasible. >I'm curious, why do you think it's a human rights issue? The common complaints center on "right to be forgotten", "unfairness", "ostracization", etc. >And when it comes out are you going to use a service from gig workers who opt out? I think many people will. Today, many hire contractors that don't have ratings on AngiesList. Not sure why you think the only end game is that people who opt out of portable ratings will get no work.

frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
>Yes. The official Chinese government is developing it and planning to force it on its citizens. So your only problem is that it's the government? I guess I see a lot more wrong with it. Actually that's unfair you do see another problem with it: >The common complaints center on "right to be forgotten", "unfairness", "ostracization", etc. So don't American workers deserve those same rights? How is it that an Uber Driver or Food-Delivery Professional or whatever we call it has a "right to be forgotten" when the only way for him to get work is to consent to a permanent report card which follows him wherever he goes? >some technical ideas to help freelancers. That's exactly my point on viewpoint! Right, this is an 'interesting technical problem' while Social Credit is 'Orwellian.' >On the other hand, this article is spitballing People in the Chinese government were just spitballing at one point as well. I'm just pointing and saying: "that's a nasty looking spitball Cassie just hocked up." Besides she mentions two companies working in this space, quick tell me, doesn't this sound like Chinese Social Credit? "Empowering trustworthy people to build a fairer world." "the old credit score system does not recognize you as a trustworthy citizen. Prove how wrong they are and get the conditions you deserve." "We need a new form of credit score that empowers people. Fortunately today we have new data sources to assess whether people behave well and are trustworthy. Traity´s algorithms use non-credit data like eBay or AirBnB profiles, FB and LinkedIn social networks, to determine people’s trustworthiness, giving you the chance to get access to the services you need at the prices you deserve." Yeah, they're all from traity.com. This is something that we need to push back against. >The author, Cassie Robinson is not a government official forcing these ratings on everyone. Correct.