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> create a very good looking UIs I don't want a good looking UI, I want to have a fast and _usable_ UI! This fad in the UI and JS world that absolutely every

> create a very good looking UIs I don't want a good looking UI, I want to have a fast and _usable_ UI! This fad in the UI and JS world that absolutely everything has to be "beautiful" needs to go away.

fknop 9y ago
Maybe you don't want a good looking UI, but it's safe to say that at least 90% of users want a good looking UI. Good looking UI is a major part of user experience.
- deadlydose 9y ago
  Not saying I don't believe you, but do you have a source for that 90% claim?
  - knowuh 9y ago
    The history of fashion and marketing tell us that appearance matters. It drives engineers batty, because it's often irrational. Just because something is irrational doesn't mean it doesn't have a huge impact on something like adoption. If we didn't care how things looked, we might all be wearing google glass.
    - adamsea 9y ago
      To be annoying, and not to disagree with your comment in any real way at all, I’d argue it’s the engineers who are being irrational for choosing to ignore or not make the effort to understand human nature. I’m sure there are plenty of studies in psychology, social psychology, or anthropology explaining the rational basis behind why fashion/marketing has such a strong impact on human behavior. I’d also bet that the advertising industry is well aware of these studies ;).
      - chrisza4 9y ago
        There is no reason why. Thise study explain “how”. Only reason that marketing/fashion have an impact on human is nature. “How” is what they studied
  - fknop 9y ago
    It's a "random" guess. But in my experience, for a website, if it doesn't look good at first sight, a user might just leave instantly. As someone pointed out in the comments, just looking at sites like: https://riverbankcomputing.com/software/pyqt/intro https://riverbankcomputing.com/software/pyqt/intro https://electronjs.org/ https://electronjs.org/ Your eye will probably be more attracted by the good design of the electron website. I'm not saying an app should be only good looking, but it's clearly a major part.
    - Zancarius 9y ago
      I'm sure that's part of it, but the primary usability studies I'm aware of have all focused on speed/response. Whether this translates to "native" apps or not, I'm not sure, but certainly for the web, response times are king [1]. Curiously, this metric has been a stable predictor of retention for decades (see the sources in the link as it'd be redundant for me to post them here). [1] http://ixd.prattsi.org/2015/04/response-time-is-speed-the-ultimate-usability-metric/ http://ixd.prattsi.org/2015/04/response-time-is-speed-the-ul...
- flukus 9y ago
  I want a good looking UI, I just find that electron doesn't deliver this. A good looking UI is one that blends in with the rest of the system, electron apps look like their being run in an emulator from another OS.
monkmartinez 9y ago
Then just use tkinter and avoid the licensing issue. The main draw of QT from literally almost everyone in the Python community is the beauty of Qt! Go read /r/python's latest, almost weekly discussion about GUI creation. Edit: the snark... removed.
s73ver_ 9y ago
I want both, and it's quite possible to have both.

fknop 9y ago

Maybe you don't want a good looking UI, but it's safe to say that at least 90% of users want a good looking UI. Good looking UI is a major part of user experience.

deadlydose 9y ago
Not saying I don't believe you, but do you have a source for that 90% claim?
- knowuh 9y ago
  The history of fashion and marketing tell us that appearance matters. It drives engineers batty, because it's often irrational. Just because something is irrational doesn't mean it doesn't have a huge impact on something like adoption. If we didn't care how things looked, we might all be wearing google glass.
  - adamsea 9y ago
    To be annoying, and not to disagree with your comment in any real way at all, I’d argue it’s the engineers who are being irrational for choosing to ignore or not make the effort to understand human nature. I’m sure there are plenty of studies in psychology, social psychology, or anthropology explaining the rational basis behind why fashion/marketing has such a strong impact on human behavior. I’d also bet that the advertising industry is well aware of these studies ;).
    - chrisza4 9y ago
      There is no reason why. Thise study explain “how”. Only reason that marketing/fashion have an impact on human is nature. “How” is what they studied
- fknop 9y ago
  It's a "random" guess. But in my experience, for a website, if it doesn't look good at first sight, a user might just leave instantly. As someone pointed out in the comments, just looking at sites like: https://riverbankcomputing.com/software/pyqt/intro https://riverbankcomputing.com/software/pyqt/intro https://electronjs.org/ https://electronjs.org/ Your eye will probably be more attracted by the good design of the electron website. I'm not saying an app should be only good looking, but it's clearly a major part.
  - Zancarius 9y ago
    I'm sure that's part of it, but the primary usability studies I'm aware of have all focused on speed/response. Whether this translates to "native" apps or not, I'm not sure, but certainly for the web, response times are king [1]. Curiously, this metric has been a stable predictor of retention for decades (see the sources in the link as it'd be redundant for me to post them here). [1] http://ixd.prattsi.org/2015/04/response-time-is-speed-the-ultimate-usability-metric/ http://ixd.prattsi.org/2015/04/response-time-is-speed-the-ul...
flukus 9y ago
I want a good looking UI, I just find that electron doesn't deliver this. A good looking UI is one that blends in with the rest of the system, electron apps look like their being run in an emulator from another OS.

monkmartinez 9y ago

Then just use tkinter and avoid the licensing issue. The main draw of QT from literally almost everyone in the Python community is the beauty of Qt! Go read /r/python's latest, almost weekly discussion about GUI creation. Edit: the snark... removed.

s73ver_ 9y ago

I want both, and it's quite possible to have both.