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The stuff that Munro is pointing out is so fundamental that I don't see how there's bias in it. The craziness that there is some hidden circle underneath the fr

by icc97 9y ago

The stuff that Munro is pointing out is so fundamental that I don't see how there's bias in it. The craziness that there is some hidden circle underneath the front hatch that you have to know to open and pull out a couple of leads to attach to a 12V battery is maddening. The fire department would have to do this to be able to cut the cable that's in the front hatch. I can see there being a Model 3 recall over that kind of stuff. What's the point of over the air software updates if your hardware is unsafe.

maxerickson 9y ago
I'm curious what first responders think. I search a bit and found some Ford info, I looked at the 2013 electric focus here: https://www.nfpa.org/Training-and-Events/By-topic/Alternative-Fuel-Vehicle-Safety-Training/Emergency-Response-Guides/Ford https://www.nfpa.org/Training-and-Events/By-topic/Alternativ... The battery disconnect procedures there, using the high voltage service disconnects, start with lowering the back seat or jacking up the rear of the car. Tesla provides the location of the little access panel on the quick response sheet here: https://www.tesla.com/firstresponders https://www.tesla.com/firstresponders Requiring 12 volts to pop the hood is not great but it doesn't seem to be that much of a departure either.
- icc97 9y ago
  If you compare it to having a lever by the driver as in any other car, that's 2 seconds to do vs them having to search on the Internet / find documents in the car then find the hole then connect up a battery. The car could be upside down or on a very steep hill. It all seems pretty frightening stuff. You're basically just praying you don't have a serious crash which is back to the 60s. I don't think that emergency procedures should be matched to other electric vehicles they should be matched to existing ICE cars.
  - vsl 9y ago
    What’s up with the fixation on connecting to 12V? Don’t you need to DISconnect and not the 12V,but the high voltage one? That’s not a difficult procedure: open the hood (forcefully if need be, latch is in the front), cut the wire in the place marked in bright orange and labeled accordingly - and immediately visible and accessible upon opening the hood.

by icc97 9y ago

maxerickson 9y ago

I'm curious what first responders think. I search a bit and found some Ford info, I looked at the 2013 electric focus here: https://www.nfpa.org/Training-and-Events/By-topic/Alternative-Fuel-Vehicle-Safety-Training/Emergency-Response-Guides/Ford https://www.nfpa.org/Training-and-Events/By-topic/Alternativ... The battery disconnect procedures there, using the high voltage service disconnects, start with lowering the back seat or jacking up the rear of the car. Tesla provides the location of the little access panel on the quick response sheet here: https://www.tesla.com/firstresponders https://www.tesla.com/firstresponders Requiring 12 volts to pop the hood is not great but it doesn't seem to be that much of a departure either.

icc97 9y ago
If you compare it to having a lever by the driver as in any other car, that's 2 seconds to do vs them having to search on the Internet / find documents in the car then find the hole then connect up a battery. The car could be upside down or on a very steep hill. It all seems pretty frightening stuff. You're basically just praying you don't have a serious crash which is back to the 60s. I don't think that emergency procedures should be matched to other electric vehicles they should be matched to existing ICE cars.
- vsl 9y ago
  What’s up with the fixation on connecting to 12V? Don’t you need to DISconnect and not the 12V,but the high voltage one? That’s not a difficult procedure: open the hood (forcefully if need be, latch is in the front), cut the wire in the place marked in bright orange and labeled accordingly - and immediately visible and accessible upon opening the hood.