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In my experience electric windows are rather useful to the driver because you can control the windows even if you don't have passengers.

by xtreme 9y ago

bryanlarsen 9y ago
And when you have kids the utility of electric windows becomes obvious. But the point is that this is the same as the IOT market: at first glance the drawbacks seem to be worse than the benefits so there are lots of naysayers. Yet there are benefits, and stuff sells.
- Fnoord 9y ago
  > And when you have kids the utility of electric windows becomes obvious. How? My kid is too young to open car windows as it is but I grew up with parents who owned a car without electric windows, and the next version of their car had electric windows (both Saab 900). I could open the back window in both cars, but only slightly (mechanically very limited; see pictures). Now, kids can't control the front seat windows either way. If you close the back seat windows while they hold their hand out, it gets crushed. If you tell your child they may open or must close the window then you give them responsibility. If they don't take that responsibility you can act upon it with consequences (I suggest minor consequences at first sight though). So I think it very much depends on the implementation of the back seat windows. As for IoT/smarthome market, when Nest (= Google) acquired Revolv they disabled the $300 hardware soon afterwards [1]. That serves as a warning what cloud computing does for you when the overlords decide they no longer want to support your product. At the very least you need an offline backup. Same with smarthome depending on an Internet connection or wireless connectivity (I wonder if vulnerable to KRACK, too). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nest_Labs#Intentional_disabling_of_hardware_devices https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nest_Labs#Intentional_disablin...
jschwartzi 9y ago
And you don't have to take your hand off the wheel for several seconds to adjust the window.

In my experience electric windows are rather useful to the driver because you can control the windows even if you don't have passengers.

by xtreme 9y ago

In my experience electric windows are rather useful to the driver because you can control the windows even if you don't have passengers.

bryanlarsen 9y ago

And when you have kids the utility of electric windows becomes obvious. But the point is that this is the same as the IOT market: at first glance the drawbacks seem to be worse than the benefits so there are lots of naysayers. Yet there are benefits, and stuff sells.

Fnoord 9y ago
> And when you have kids the utility of electric windows becomes obvious. How? My kid is too young to open car windows as it is but I grew up with parents who owned a car without electric windows, and the next version of their car had electric windows (both Saab 900). I could open the back window in both cars, but only slightly (mechanically very limited; see pictures). Now, kids can't control the front seat windows either way. If you close the back seat windows while they hold their hand out, it gets crushed. If you tell your child they may open or must close the window then you give them responsibility. If they don't take that responsibility you can act upon it with consequences (I suggest minor consequences at first sight though). So I think it very much depends on the implementation of the back seat windows. As for IoT/smarthome market, when Nest (= Google) acquired Revolv they disabled the $300 hardware soon afterwards [1]. That serves as a warning what cloud computing does for you when the overlords decide they no longer want to support your product. At the very least you need an offline backup. Same with smarthome depending on an Internet connection or wireless connectivity (I wonder if vulnerable to KRACK, too). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nest_Labs#Intentional_disabling_of_hardware_devices https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nest_Labs#Intentional_disablin...

jschwartzi 9y ago

And you don't have to take your hand off the wheel for several seconds to adjust the window.