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This looks promising. Any thoughts on the license?

by m12k 9y ago

wiz21c 9y ago
no commercial use it seems. Not 100% related, but the copyright holder(s) are not clear. There is a list of authors so I'd bet they are the copyright holders. But given the fact their email addresses somewhat point to CMU, I wonder if CMU is behind...
- mcsb1 9y ago
  The Github account is from CMU perceptional computing lab. Thus I'd consider it reasonable to assume that CMU is behind.
  - wiz21c 9y ago
    I don't know CMU well, is it privately hold ? I really wonder if the work we see here was paid by taxpayers' money. I guess the papers are freely available but the implementation is not.
    - claforte 9y ago
      I'd say it would cost 5% royalty on sales assuming that algorithm was key. Ten years ago I negotiated a licencing agreement with CMU for a computer vision algorithm. I was leading an unknown startup. 5% with no upfront fee is what we ended at.
  - electricslpnsld 9y ago
    The PI on this project (Yaser Sheikh) also heads up Oculus' Pittsburgh lab. Not sure if there is any overlap on this project.
- zanalyzer 9y ago
  The prof is also associated with oculus/fb, so the license has to be friendly to them as well.
- seeekr 9y ago
  There's actually a link somewhere to a page[0] that, all the way at the bottom states the price as USD$25,000 for a "Commercial License, yearly renewal". [0] https://flintbox.com/public/project/47343/ https://flintbox.com/public/project/47343/
  - kejaed 9y ago
    When I saw this a little while ago I thought it would be great for automated video analysis of barbell lifts / weightlifting given the angles involved in such things can be a good metric for form. However, the license specifically states that you cannot use it for sports. I wonder if they singed a high value exclusivity agreement with someone in that space, or if some such company funded the research originally... "The non-exclusive commercial license cannot be used in the field of Sports. ("Sports" shall mean any and all athletic competition between individuals, groups of individuals or teams.)"
SiempreViernes 9y ago
"You agree that all and any such derivatives and modifications will be owned by Licensor" Assigning ownership of your own modifications to them seems significantly stronger than forbidding redistribution of your modified version. With this, just getting the examples to run on your own machine is effectively free development for the authors.
- Chris2048 9y ago
  Is that legal? You can claim ownership of derivatives??
  - thecatspaw 9y ago
    Sure, you can claim anything. IANAL, but I don't see why this would not hold up. It is their code, its in their license agreement (which is a contract you agree to). If you do not wish to give them the rights to your modifications, the license forbids you from using it
    - Chris2048 9y ago
      Sure, but I was of the impression that they can only control rights to use their software, not claim your own - I'm not sure if "which is a contract you agree to" is true if nothing is signed. Note: by reading this notice you agree that all that is yours is mine, and all that is mine is mine also. ;-)
      - thecatspaw 9y ago
        Your note does not work because I am not agreeing to anything. You either are agreeing to the license implicitly by using the product, or you are not allowed to use it (and would therefore use code which you dont have a license to)
        mottosso 9y ago
        If you read the message, you agreed to the terms. If you didn't read it, then how can you comment on what it says? :)

This looks promising. Any thoughts on the license?

by m12k 9y ago

This looks promising. Any thoughts on the license?

no commercial use it seems. Not 100% related, but the copyright holder(s) are not clear. There is a list of authors so I'd bet they are the copyright holders. But given the fact their email addresses somewhat point to CMU, I wonder if CMU is behind...

mcsb1 9y ago
The Github account is from CMU perceptional computing lab. Thus I'd consider it reasonable to assume that CMU is behind.
- wiz21c 9y ago
  I don't know CMU well, is it privately hold ? I really wonder if the work we see here was paid by taxpayers' money. I guess the papers are freely available but the implementation is not.
  - claforte 9y ago
    I'd say it would cost 5% royalty on sales assuming that algorithm was key. Ten years ago I negotiated a licencing agreement with CMU for a computer vision algorithm. I was leading an unknown startup. 5% with no upfront fee is what we ended at.
- electricslpnsld 9y ago
  The PI on this project (Yaser Sheikh) also heads up Oculus' Pittsburgh lab. Not sure if there is any overlap on this project.
zanalyzer 9y ago
The prof is also associated with oculus/fb, so the license has to be friendly to them as well.
seeekr 9y ago
There's actually a link somewhere to a page[0] that, all the way at the bottom states the price as USD$25,000 for a "Commercial License, yearly renewal". [0] https://flintbox.com/public/project/47343/ https://flintbox.com/public/project/47343/
- kejaed 9y ago
  When I saw this a little while ago I thought it would be great for automated video analysis of barbell lifts / weightlifting given the angles involved in such things can be a good metric for form. However, the license specifically states that you cannot use it for sports. I wonder if they singed a high value exclusivity agreement with someone in that space, or if some such company funded the research originally... "The non-exclusive commercial license cannot be used in the field of Sports. ("Sports" shall mean any and all athletic competition between individuals, groups of individuals or teams.)"

SiempreViernes 9y ago

"You agree that all and any such derivatives and modifications will be owned by Licensor" Assigning ownership of your own modifications to them seems significantly stronger than forbidding redistribution of your modified version. With this, just getting the examples to run on your own machine is effectively free development for the authors.

Chris2048 9y ago
Is that legal? You can claim ownership of derivatives??
- thecatspaw 9y ago
  Sure, you can claim anything. IANAL, but I don't see why this would not hold up. It is their code, its in their license agreement (which is a contract you agree to). If you do not wish to give them the rights to your modifications, the license forbids you from using it
  - Chris2048 9y ago
    Sure, but I was of the impression that they can only control rights to use their software, not claim your own - I'm not sure if "which is a contract you agree to" is true if nothing is signed. Note: by reading this notice you agree that all that is yours is mine, and all that is mine is mine also. ;-)
    - thecatspaw 9y ago
      Your note does not work because I am not agreeing to anything. You either are agreeing to the license implicitly by using the product, or you are not allowed to use it (and would therefore use code which you dont have a license to)
      - mottosso 9y ago
        If you read the message, you agreed to the terms. If you didn't read it, then how can you comment on what it says? :)