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> These kinda a laws is why germany has no free wifi anywhere cos owner gets fined for anything that happens on his wifi... The law has changed. Since October

• mirko22 9y ago
  Yes, so do we have to have similar laws now and wait for them to backfire to take them away again? This law has seriously impacted WiFi availability in Germany for some time. Torrent laws are used by lawyers and scamers to send out fines to random people and scam them for money, what does a consumer get out of those laws? Nothing... Same way this law imposes so many rules that for smaller companies it just makes things harder while the big companies will pay and forget about it.
  • madez 9y ago
    > Torrent laws are used by lawyers and scamers to send out fines to random people and scam them for money, what does a consumer get out of those laws? Nothing... If you are a provider of internet access for example via WiFi, and you didn't collude with the users to breach the law, and you are sent a Abmahnung by a lawyer, then you can demand them to take back the Abmahnung including any financial demands after explaining to them said situation and making credible that you weren't exclusively using your internet access. You also don't need to investigate who was the perpetrator, and no ask no tell works. If the laywers don't step back, you can sue them with a Negative Feststellungsklage.