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That's laughably bad of Tesla - the thumb wide gaps in the body, the gluing rubber parts on glass seals because the original one was way out of tolerance, door

That's laughably bad of Tesla - the thumb wide gaps in the body, the gluing rubber parts on glass seals because the original one was way out of tolerance, door rattle, one door having two ways to open but not the others - the screen that goes you have activated alternate door opening mechanism or some such thing - all pretty embarrassing. Never mind the insane difficulty to open the hood in an accident which looks like a real safety issue. Also who in the 2018 world designs trunk doors that would take two hands to close for kids, smaller/older individuals? The non power operated trunk on my CR-V closes with a finger!

Shivetya 9y ago
I do not understand how there is no manual mechanism for opening the rear doors from the inside, how does that even happen? His comments about the outside door handles were at least prefaced with his own physical limitation but the state of that car is mind boggling. This is on top of the known promised features and oversight with regards to the programming of the display. I did notice on reddit there is a story of a III having cratered its engine. http://teslaweekly.com/first-model-3-motor-failure-reported-tesla-engineers-on-their-way-to-investigate/ http://teslaweekly.com/first-model-3-motor-failure-reported-... All in all 2017 wasn't their best year so hopefully 2018 will see a turn around but even max projections are well under 200k cars this year
- blinkingled 9y ago
  >manual mechanism for opening the rear doors from the inside Brother of my close friend literally burned to death in a Hyundai with no manual override for unlocking/opening doors. Granted he had modified the car's stereo system with custom speakers and the roadside mechanic did not do a good job with it which caused short circuit/fire. But had he been able to manually open the doors he would still be alive today. And to think Tesla is all batteries that have strong chance of starting a fire - ugh. If car body construction tech was new you could cut Tesla some slack but given all of these issues have been fixed by pretty much all manufacturers years ago - I have no sympathy for Tesla there.
  - emmelaich 9y ago
    That's horrible. I have an enduring fear due to the lack of manual window winders. Harder to open a door in water than wind down a window. Related - a woman was stuck in her Audi Q3 in 41C (106F) heat. (Australia, 2003)
    - blinkingled 9y ago
      Yeah window winders too - they should have a knob that drops the window down someplace not accidentally accessible. That should be easy enough to do without adding any significant bulk.
    - toomanybeersies 9y ago
      You can buy window breaking hammers (like they have in public buses) if you're concerned about not being able to get out of your car in a crash.
      - kevingadd 9y ago
        They're extremely cheap and some of them also come with a blade for cutting seatbelts (inside a notch so you won't accidentally cut yourself with it). Definitely a life-saving tool worth keeping in your car.
        zuppy 9y ago
        And there's even a small spring loaded version, that can be carried with the keys. Look for resqme.
      - rimliu 9y ago
        You can also take a headrest of the front seat and use its prongs to break a window.
        function_seven 9y ago
        Not a bad idea, but are those prongs hard enough? I thought window-breaking tools have a ceramic or tungsten (?) point on them to start the glass fracture. I'm not going to test it, but I imagine myself desperately bouncing the metal prongs off the inside of a window.
- bahmboo 9y ago
  I agree, but if you are really safety minded you should have a metal pick/club to break the windows anyway. Can't rely on doors being operational during accident and can't wait for emergency response. Of course I don't have one :]
  - lemonberry 9y ago
    I keep one in the pocket of my driver's side door and one in the glove box. The ones I have also have a razor for cutting through the seatbelt.
    - omgbananas 9y ago
      > in the pocket of my driver's side door After a roll-over, it won't be there and you may not be able to reach the glove box. If you have a center console, I recommend keeping it there (that's where I keep mine). If you're reading this and you don't have one in your car, buy one now. Here is a link for 2 for $10 (give the other one to your spouse/parent/kid/someone): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CQN0DDC/ https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CQN0DDC/
      - nugi 9y ago
        Either place will find the tool potentially flying thru the cabin upon an accident. Strap it down. Same goes for fire extinguishers, jacks, and tools kept in the cabin. If your escape tool knovks you unconscious in the wreck, it does you no good.
      - lemonberry 9y ago
        Mine has velcro to keep it in place. Will it work in a roll-over? No idea, but yeah, definitely need it to be with in hand's reach for it to be effective.
- OldArrow 9y ago
  At Volvo we had ISO 26262 http://safety.addalot.se/upload/2016/PDF/1-3%20Automotive%20Industry%20Approach%20to%20Functional%20Safety%20-%20Fredrik%20T%C3%B6rner.pdf http://safety.addalot.se/upload/2016/PDF/1-3%20Automotive%20...
- AckSyn 9y ago
  Because many third doors can't open without the front door being open. This isn't a new concept or design. It's been around for decades.
- mrguyorama 9y ago
  Regarding that engine problem, crib death of complicated to manufacture systems is an expected phenomenon, though I'm not sure how car manufacturers have mostly sorted it out
inertial 9y ago
Porsche had (or has) similar issues with opening the hood without power. https://perryandcoblog.com/2009/11/17/porsche-carrera-911-996-dead-battery-locked-hood-solution/ https://perryandcoblog.com/2009/11/17/porsche-carrera-911-99... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss6-8TJYIqE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss6-8TJYIqE
- justin66 9y ago
  That's a car where failure to open the hood quickly will not cause a delay in sawing through a door to save a life. That's the urgency with the Tesla, really: rescuers need to cut the cable that is inside.

Shivetya 9y ago

I do not understand how there is no manual mechanism for opening the rear doors from the inside, how does that even happen? His comments about the outside door handles were at least prefaced with his own physical limitation but the state of that car is mind boggling. This is on top of the known promised features and oversight with regards to the programming of the display. I did notice on reddit there is a story of a III having cratered its engine. http://teslaweekly.com/first-model-3-motor-failure-reported-tesla-engineers-on-their-way-to-investigate/ http://teslaweekly.com/first-model-3-motor-failure-reported-... All in all 2017 wasn't their best year so hopefully 2018 will see a turn around but even max projections are well under 200k cars this year

blinkingled 9y ago
>manual mechanism for opening the rear doors from the inside Brother of my close friend literally burned to death in a Hyundai with no manual override for unlocking/opening doors. Granted he had modified the car's stereo system with custom speakers and the roadside mechanic did not do a good job with it which caused short circuit/fire. But had he been able to manually open the doors he would still be alive today. And to think Tesla is all batteries that have strong chance of starting a fire - ugh. If car body construction tech was new you could cut Tesla some slack but given all of these issues have been fixed by pretty much all manufacturers years ago - I have no sympathy for Tesla there.
- emmelaich 9y ago
  That's horrible. I have an enduring fear due to the lack of manual window winders. Harder to open a door in water than wind down a window. Related - a woman was stuck in her Audi Q3 in 41C (106F) heat. (Australia, 2003)
  - blinkingled 9y ago
    Yeah window winders too - they should have a knob that drops the window down someplace not accidentally accessible. That should be easy enough to do without adding any significant bulk.
  - toomanybeersies 9y ago
    You can buy window breaking hammers (like they have in public buses) if you're concerned about not being able to get out of your car in a crash.
    - kevingadd 9y ago
      They're extremely cheap and some of them also come with a blade for cutting seatbelts (inside a notch so you won't accidentally cut yourself with it). Definitely a life-saving tool worth keeping in your car.
      - zuppy 9y ago
        And there's even a small spring loaded version, that can be carried with the keys. Look for resqme.
    - rimliu 9y ago
      You can also take a headrest of the front seat and use its prongs to break a window.
      - function_seven 9y ago
        Not a bad idea, but are those prongs hard enough? I thought window-breaking tools have a ceramic or tungsten (?) point on them to start the glass fracture. I'm not going to test it, but I imagine myself desperately bouncing the metal prongs off the inside of a window.
bahmboo 9y ago
I agree, but if you are really safety minded you should have a metal pick/club to break the windows anyway. Can't rely on doors being operational during accident and can't wait for emergency response. Of course I don't have one :]
- lemonberry 9y ago
  I keep one in the pocket of my driver's side door and one in the glove box. The ones I have also have a razor for cutting through the seatbelt.
  - omgbananas 9y ago
    > in the pocket of my driver's side door After a roll-over, it won't be there and you may not be able to reach the glove box. If you have a center console, I recommend keeping it there (that's where I keep mine). If you're reading this and you don't have one in your car, buy one now. Here is a link for 2 for $10 (give the other one to your spouse/parent/kid/someone): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CQN0DDC/ https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CQN0DDC/
    - nugi 9y ago
      Either place will find the tool potentially flying thru the cabin upon an accident. Strap it down. Same goes for fire extinguishers, jacks, and tools kept in the cabin. If your escape tool knovks you unconscious in the wreck, it does you no good.
    - lemonberry 9y ago
      Mine has velcro to keep it in place. Will it work in a roll-over? No idea, but yeah, definitely need it to be with in hand's reach for it to be effective.
OldArrow 9y ago
At Volvo we had ISO 26262 http://safety.addalot.se/upload/2016/PDF/1-3%20Automotive%20Industry%20Approach%20to%20Functional%20Safety%20-%20Fredrik%20T%C3%B6rner.pdf http://safety.addalot.se/upload/2016/PDF/1-3%20Automotive%20...
AckSyn 9y ago
Because many third doors can't open without the front door being open. This isn't a new concept or design. It's been around for decades.
mrguyorama 9y ago
Regarding that engine problem, crib death of complicated to manufacture systems is an expected phenomenon, though I'm not sure how car manufacturers have mostly sorted it out

inertial 9y ago

Porsche had (or has) similar issues with opening the hood without power. https://perryandcoblog.com/2009/11/17/porsche-carrera-911-996-dead-battery-locked-hood-solution/ https://perryandcoblog.com/2009/11/17/porsche-carrera-911-99... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss6-8TJYIqE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss6-8TJYIqE

justin66 9y ago
That's a car where failure to open the hood quickly will not cause a delay in sawing through a door to save a life. That's the urgency with the Tesla, really: rescuers need to cut the cable that is inside.