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Honestly part of the problem with this discussion is that people are just making stuff up. CDNs never had "Common Carrier" status, so all arguments around it ma
by tedivm 9y ago
Honestly part of the problem with this discussion is that people are just making stuff up. CDNs never had "Common Carrier" status, so all arguments around it make no sense.
That being said, this argument is a recurring theme. It came up when spez edited comments on "/r/the_donald" and comes up any time a company enforces it's own TOS to a way the alt-right and libertarian crowds don't like.
I can come up with dozens of examples of companies exercising control over the content of their networks without issue. Reddit removed "fatpeoplehate" and related subs, youtube removes terrorism recruitment videos, and even Cloudflare removes malware (if pushed hard enough). None of those cases resulted in this mythical "common carrier" status from being removed, or caused them legal issues in other ways. If I'm wrong it should be easy enough to come up with examples proving it, but that won't happen.
- randyrand 9y agoReddit has never tried to argue it should be thought of as a common carrier to a judge. Cloud fare did.
- pathseeker 9y ago>to a way the alt-right and libertarian crowds don't like. sci-hub is appreciated by far more people than the alt-right and libertarian crowds. Is there any particular reason you felt the need to try to politicize it?
- tedivm 9y agoPlease reread what I said. My comment had nothing to do with sci-hub at all- I am explicitly talking about the people who keep bringing up the "common carrier" claims whenever someone removes content they don't like. For some reason the alt-right has been all over this claim, and they use it whenever they get censored (either on reddit or twitter), and the libertarian crowd does the same here on this website. Also, I do want to point out something- saying that someone's argument isn't valid because they have a misunderstanding of the law is not the same thing as taking a side. I think sci-hub is awesome, but I'm not going to defend it by making stuff up.
- syshum 9y ago>>the libertarian crowd does the same here on this website. I have never seen "the libertarian crowd" (of which I count myself a member of) use "common carrier" language on anything outside Internet Service Providers, NN, and Title II regulations. We defend free speech, and want to hold organizations that claim to support free speech to actually supporting free speech, We believe if a website says "They support free speech and want to allow free exchange of ideas" that they actually uphold those claims... to make a public claim of supporting free exchange of ideas or free speech on your platform then use heavily handed censorship is in our opinion very similar to bait and switch fraud and should be considered as such under the law even if you sneak in some provisions on page 100 of your 8point font legalese terms of service... I know we libertarians are soo crazy with our ethics and principles...
- alysdexia 9y ago"it's", "- ", "they": retard