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Yes. "If you manage to get social media on your side by endearing them then you can lie and steal" is the better lesson to teach a 16 year old. A 16 year old c

by FRex 9y ago

Yes. "If you manage to get social media on your side by endearing them then you can lie and steal" is the better lesson to teach a 16 year old. A 16 year old can waste his or her life by this age if he or she does really badly in school or smokes weed and gets caught. I can forgive teens for a lot of silly things like lying, cheating, petty crime, etc. but not doubling down when caught and creating a social media hatemob for someone questioning her. Also - she is not a kid. There are at least few countries in which a 16 year old can have sex, drive, drink alcohol, join military academy, etc. and at 17 or 18 the list of countries grows to hundreds of entries. And she is a "prodigy", not any ordinary kid and she defended herself very well (and evidently successfully considering the thread calling her out on reddit got outright removed, not just downvoted) on social media and even called the person claiming she is lying a "jobless disturbed harasser and bully". She has attended MIT Launch, was intern at Sales force. Along with writing that app she also localized this app to 10 languages (I'm not sure if she did it herself via Google Translate, the way she writes about it is not clear), optimized it for iPhone X, prepared a full release, all within these 2 months while coming across new techniques and concepts and learning them on the fly. This is all in her medium.com post and if she can do all of that she can get held to the same standard as an adult. And if it's someone just using her persona and doing all this then there is even a bigger problem, bordering on personality theft and fraud.

Faaak 9y ago
Being a kid is not a boolean value. You don't go from "being a kid" to "not being a kid". It's gradual. Some people are still kids at 19, others are quite mature at 17. Who knows, maybe her parents are pushing her a lot and she doesn't know how to react. We should give people the benefit of the doubt when we don't know the full story. She'll be forgiven in 2 months anyways..
- FRex 9y ago
  > Being a kid is not a boolean value. You don't go from "being a kid" to "not being a kid". It's gradual. Some people are still kids at 19, others are quite mature at 17. It actually is boolean for many laws but that's beside the point. Whatever a threshold is a person who makes apps so quickly, calls herself an entrepreneur and a programmer, all while highlighting her young age (ostensibly to show that she is more mature or skilled than others that age) has crossed it. > Who knows, maybe her parents are pushing her a lot and she doesn't know how to react. Then just like with "a team" it's a big issue if her parents pushed her to do it all or did it for her and should not be swept under the rug because it's a woman in tech or a teen. > We should give people the benefit of the doubt when we don't know the full story. Too bad the author of this post doesn't get that. Instead they got called names, accused of bullying and harassment of a teen, accused of driving women out of tech, flagged (here too for a while apparently), and pretty much told to fuck off and die. It's only more ironic that the author is a woman too (which in an ideal world should not matter in the dispute but in USA/tech industry it seems to, although I've seen plenty of woman vs. woman disputes online where one woman will claim the other who criticizes her has "internalized sexism"). > She'll be forgiven in 2 months anyways.. Well yes. No one is going to crucify her for this but plagiarism and being put on a pedestal for things you didn't do are (in theory, apparently it is if you are a woman judging by some of the comments here[0]) not acceptable and can't be revealed and then just defended (not even disputed) by tons of people because the perpetrator is a woman or teen and thus beyond criticism or fair attribution of work. [0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16307994 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16307994
zolthrowaway 9y ago
>A 16 year old can waste his or her life by this age if he or she does really badly in school or smokes weed and gets caught. I agree with the vast majority of your post, but I would say this part isn't super fair. Maybe I'm reading too much into this part, but outside of exceptional cases, we do give minors the chance to recover. I know people who had high school GPAs in the low 2s, that went to community college for 2 years, transferred to a solid university, and have a good career. At least where I live, your records are sealed at 18 unless you have been tried as an adult (which is exceedingly rare). You can definitely recover from an offense, but it is going to make things harder. Yes, a 16 year old doing some (alleged) unethical behavior should face some consequences, but no 16 year old should have their life ruined. Intelligence and maturity are not coupled.
- wozz 9y ago
  I have a friend from college who had a 2.0 in high school and got rejected from the college of new jersey. He ended up getting into a much better school (possibly due to SAT scores) and graduated with a 4.0. He majored in math as well as physics and minored in CS. Worked for Google for two years after... smokes weed too.
valuearb 9y ago
She was an intern? Attended a conference? Used Google Translate to change strings? What a prodigy!

by FRex 9y ago

Faaak 9y ago

Being a kid is not a boolean value. You don't go from "being a kid" to "not being a kid". It's gradual. Some people are still kids at 19, others are quite mature at 17. Who knows, maybe her parents are pushing her a lot and she doesn't know how to react. We should give people the benefit of the doubt when we don't know the full story. She'll be forgiven in 2 months anyways..

FRex 9y ago
> Being a kid is not a boolean value. You don't go from "being a kid" to "not being a kid". It's gradual. Some people are still kids at 19, others are quite mature at 17. It actually is boolean for many laws but that's beside the point. Whatever a threshold is a person who makes apps so quickly, calls herself an entrepreneur and a programmer, all while highlighting her young age (ostensibly to show that she is more mature or skilled than others that age) has crossed it. > Who knows, maybe her parents are pushing her a lot and she doesn't know how to react. Then just like with "a team" it's a big issue if her parents pushed her to do it all or did it for her and should not be swept under the rug because it's a woman in tech or a teen. > We should give people the benefit of the doubt when we don't know the full story. Too bad the author of this post doesn't get that. Instead they got called names, accused of bullying and harassment of a teen, accused of driving women out of tech, flagged (here too for a while apparently), and pretty much told to fuck off and die. It's only more ironic that the author is a woman too (which in an ideal world should not matter in the dispute but in USA/tech industry it seems to, although I've seen plenty of woman vs. woman disputes online where one woman will claim the other who criticizes her has "internalized sexism"). > She'll be forgiven in 2 months anyways.. Well yes. No one is going to crucify her for this but plagiarism and being put on a pedestal for things you didn't do are (in theory, apparently it is if you are a woman judging by some of the comments here[0]) not acceptable and can't be revealed and then just defended (not even disputed) by tons of people because the perpetrator is a woman or teen and thus beyond criticism or fair attribution of work. [0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16307994 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16307994

zolthrowaway 9y ago

>A 16 year old can waste his or her life by this age if he or she does really badly in school or smokes weed and gets caught. I agree with the vast majority of your post, but I would say this part isn't super fair. Maybe I'm reading too much into this part, but outside of exceptional cases, we do give minors the chance to recover. I know people who had high school GPAs in the low 2s, that went to community college for 2 years, transferred to a solid university, and have a good career. At least where I live, your records are sealed at 18 unless you have been tried as an adult (which is exceedingly rare). You can definitely recover from an offense, but it is going to make things harder. Yes, a 16 year old doing some (alleged) unethical behavior should face some consequences, but no 16 year old should have their life ruined. Intelligence and maturity are not coupled.

wozz 9y ago
I have a friend from college who had a 2.0 in high school and got rejected from the college of new jersey. He ended up getting into a much better school (possibly due to SAT scores) and graduated with a 4.0. He majored in math as well as physics and minored in CS. Worked for Google for two years after... smokes weed too.

valuearb 9y ago

She was an intern? Attended a conference? Used Google Translate to change strings? What a prodigy!