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I am surprised more families are not planning a trip abroad around the delivery date, to benefit from cheaper healthcare of a comparable quality + free extra ci

I am surprised more families are not planning a trip abroad around the delivery date, to benefit from cheaper healthcare of a comparable quality + free extra citizenship for their kid. The market exists in other countries: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-island-where-chinese-mothers-deliver-american-babies-1513852203 https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-island-where-chinese-mother... I am surprised american parents don't hedge their bets by getting a EU citizenship for their kid. If anything, the kid may benefit from free healthcare if they get something bad as an adult!

smnrchrds 9y ago
Few countries have unrestricted jus soli (birthright citizenship). Among those, only US and Canada are desirable countries of citizenship. EU countries who have any sort of jus soli have severely restricted it. See some examples: Germany: Children born on or after 1 January 2000 to non-German parents acquire German citizenship at birth, if at least one parent has a permanent residence permit (and had this status for at least three years) and the parent was residing in Germany for at least eight years. France: Children born in France (including overseas territories) to at least one foreign parent who is also born in France automatically acquire French citizenship at birth. Portugal: A child born in Portuguese territory to who does not possess another nationality is a Portuguese citizen. Also, a person born to foreign parents who were not serving their respective States at the time of birth is a Portuguese citizen if the person declares that they want to be Portuguese and provided that one of the parents has legally resided in Portugal for at least five years at the time of birth. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
- devereaux 9y ago
  So Portugal would work.
  - smnrchrds 9y ago
    As long as you are able to get legal residence in Portugal and willing to spend five years there prior to having a child, sure.
    - devereaux 9y ago
      I thought the child was to not have another nationality before, then I realized it was about the parent.
- ebalit 9y ago
  You miss the second part for France: "Children born to foreign parents may request citizenship depending on their age and length of residence." The rule is as complex as the French law can be... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_nationality_law#French_citizenship_by_birth_in_France_or_its_overseas_territories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_nationality_law#French_... But basically, children born to foreign parents become French at their majority if they lived most of their childhood in France.
virmundi 9y ago
Which European countries do this? This is more a new world thing as far as I know. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli
r00fus 9y ago
Traveling in the third trimester isn't comfortable or recommended. Premature mile high birth sounds like something people are wary of.
- zxcmx 9y ago
  Most airlines won't let you fly without a medical certificate if you look "quite" pregnant (>28 weeks you need documentation). If you are very close to term, they won't let you fly at all. Example policies: http://www.etihad.com/en-au/experience-etihad/special-assistance/expectant-mothers/ http://www.etihad.com/en-au/experience-etihad/special-assist... http://www.jetstar.com/au/en/help/articles/pregnancy-and-air-travel http://www.jetstar.com/au/en/help/articles/pregnancy-and-air...
surfmike 9y ago
If you could afford a trip like that, you probably already have health insurance in the US.

smnrchrds 9y ago

Few countries have unrestricted jus soli (birthright citizenship). Among those, only US and Canada are desirable countries of citizenship. EU countries who have any sort of jus soli have severely restricted it. See some examples: Germany: Children born on or after 1 January 2000 to non-German parents acquire German citizenship at birth, if at least one parent has a permanent residence permit (and had this status for at least three years) and the parent was residing in Germany for at least eight years. France: Children born in France (including overseas territories) to at least one foreign parent who is also born in France automatically acquire French citizenship at birth. Portugal: A child born in Portuguese territory to who does not possess another nationality is a Portuguese citizen. Also, a person born to foreign parents who were not serving their respective States at the time of birth is a Portuguese citizen if the person declares that they want to be Portuguese and provided that one of the parents has legally resided in Portugal for at least five years at the time of birth. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

devereaux 9y ago
So Portugal would work.
- smnrchrds 9y ago
  As long as you are able to get legal residence in Portugal and willing to spend five years there prior to having a child, sure.
  - devereaux 9y ago
    I thought the child was to not have another nationality before, then I realized it was about the parent.
ebalit 9y ago
You miss the second part for France: "Children born to foreign parents may request citizenship depending on their age and length of residence." The rule is as complex as the French law can be... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_nationality_law#French_citizenship_by_birth_in_France_or_its_overseas_territories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_nationality_law#French_... But basically, children born to foreign parents become French at their majority if they lived most of their childhood in France.

virmundi 9y ago

Which European countries do this? This is more a new world thing as far as I know. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

r00fus 9y ago

Traveling in the third trimester isn't comfortable or recommended. Premature mile high birth sounds like something people are wary of.

zxcmx 9y ago
Most airlines won't let you fly without a medical certificate if you look "quite" pregnant (>28 weeks you need documentation). If you are very close to term, they won't let you fly at all. Example policies: http://www.etihad.com/en-au/experience-etihad/special-assistance/expectant-mothers/ http://www.etihad.com/en-au/experience-etihad/special-assist... http://www.jetstar.com/au/en/help/articles/pregnancy-and-air-travel http://www.jetstar.com/au/en/help/articles/pregnancy-and-air...

surfmike 9y ago

If you could afford a trip like that, you probably already have health insurance in the US.