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Except really its correct pronunciation is “demon”, just like how archæology and æon aren’t pronounced any differently because of the ash (which British English

Except really its correct pronunciation is “demon”, just like how archæology and æon aren’t pronounced any differently because of the ash (which British English still uses). It drives me up the wall to hear “day-mon”.

blauditore 9y ago
Just out of curiosity, did you create a throaway account just for this comment?
- throwawaybz0 9y ago
  Yes. I don’t take HN particularly seriously and don’t care to maintain an account here. :)
  - grzm 9y ago
    The guidelines ask: > "Throwaway accounts are ok for sensitive information, but please don't create them routinely. On HN, users should have an identity that others can relate to." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I understand you don't take HN particularly seriously, but would you at least take the guidelines into account? If you're not willing to be a part of the community, would you at least respect it and not create throwaways for comments like this?
    - omeid2 9y ago
      There is some kind of poetic irony in asking someone to take serious the guidelines of that which they do not take seriously in the first place.
      - grzm 9y ago
        The available alternatives when trying to encourage people to abide by community standards aren't particularly appealing.
        throwawaybz0 9y ago
        Like constantly banning them with extreme prejudice for not towing the line? That already happens anyway, and it’s one reason why sites like n-gate exist. HN is a parody of itself.
Analemma_ 9y ago
That's all very interesting, but I'm still going to say "day-mon" and recommend others do as well, for a few reasons: 1. It's what everyone knows and uses. If you say "demon", it may take most people a few seconds to realize what you mean; "day-mon" is instantly understandable by all software people. Etymological purism should always take a back seat to clarifying thought. 2. "Day-mon" has better connotations among people unfamiliar with the concept. We don't need tech-illiterate people thinking there are demons in their computers, whereas a "day-mon" sounds like something benevolent and helpful (especially among younger people who might've read The Golden Compass books).
- throwawaybz0 9y ago
  K have fun.
- lightdot 9y ago
  > It's what everyone knows and uses. That's simply not true. Perhaps in your immediate circle, but even there I'd have doubts that it is actually so. I've been in the IT for about 20 years and I honestly don't know of any "software people" that pronounce the word as "day-mon", so I't most certainly not true for wider audiences. > "Day-mon" has better connotations among people unfamiliar with the concept. You'd get a blank stare from most that don't know what you're talking about and a remark about pronouncing the word wrong from most that do. Why would you want to mispronounce a word just because you think the actual meaning is bad in some way, is beyond me. The word is what it is, pronouncing it wrong won't change it. And if you do a bit of research, you'll see that it doesn't mean what some B-rate horror movie made you think that it does.
  - twic 9y ago
    >> It's what everyone knows and uses. > That's simply not true. Seconded - i've never heard anyone pronounce 'daemon' and 'demon' differently. Of course, data is not the plural of anecdote; perhaps we could ask Stack Overflow to put it in their next developer survey?
  - Analemma_ 9y ago
meken 9y ago
I watched a video by Lennart Poettering years ago on systemd and he pronounced it dah-men, which I thought was pretty slick. Though I still prefer to pronounce it "demon", mostly because that's how my undergrad system administrator friend pronounced it. This may have been the video in question https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyMLi8QF6sw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyMLi8QF6sw
jiggunjer 9y ago
If English corrupted the latin "ae" to sound like "ay", then the correct pronunciation in English should be daymon. When "ae" got replaced by "e" it was to reflect that pronunciation (in early English "e" wasn't pronounced as the sharp "ee" in modern English).
CogitoCogito 9y ago
There is no "correct" pronunciation. There are different books in different countries (with different levels of authority) documenting different pronunciations, but that's about it. The fact that it bothers you is odd. Pronouncing it as "daymon" is a way of signaling that you're talking about something very computer-related and therefore adds clarity to the language. And on the flip-side if you consider daemon and demon the same word (as it has historically been; see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16304452 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16304452 ), then why is it that the spelling "daemon" (and not "demon") is used so consistently in computing? It's quite clear that within computing, the words demon and daemon are _different_ and the fact that they are often pronounced differently reflects that. Language evolves. Get over it.

blauditore 9y ago

Just out of curiosity, did you create a throaway account just for this comment?

throwawaybz0 9y ago
Yes. I don’t take HN particularly seriously and don’t care to maintain an account here. :)
- grzm 9y ago
  The guidelines ask: > "Throwaway accounts are ok for sensitive information, but please don't create them routinely. On HN, users should have an identity that others can relate to." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I understand you don't take HN particularly seriously, but would you at least take the guidelines into account? If you're not willing to be a part of the community, would you at least respect it and not create throwaways for comments like this?
  - omeid2 9y ago
    There is some kind of poetic irony in asking someone to take serious the guidelines of that which they do not take seriously in the first place.
    - grzm 9y ago
      The available alternatives when trying to encourage people to abide by community standards aren't particularly appealing.
      - throwawaybz0 9y ago
        Like constantly banning them with extreme prejudice for not towing the line? That already happens anyway, and it’s one reason why sites like n-gate exist. HN is a parody of itself.

Analemma_ 9y ago

That's all very interesting, but I'm still going to say "day-mon" and recommend others do as well, for a few reasons: 1. It's what everyone knows and uses. If you say "demon", it may take most people a few seconds to realize what you mean; "day-mon" is instantly understandable by all software people. Etymological purism should always take a back seat to clarifying thought. 2. "Day-mon" has better connotations among people unfamiliar with the concept. We don't need tech-illiterate people thinking there are demons in their computers, whereas a "day-mon" sounds like something benevolent and helpful (especially among younger people who might've read The Golden Compass books).

throwawaybz0 9y ago
K have fun.
lightdot 9y ago
> It's what everyone knows and uses. That's simply not true. Perhaps in your immediate circle, but even there I'd have doubts that it is actually so. I've been in the IT for about 20 years and I honestly don't know of any "software people" that pronounce the word as "day-mon", so I't most certainly not true for wider audiences. > "Day-mon" has better connotations among people unfamiliar with the concept. You'd get a blank stare from most that don't know what you're talking about and a remark about pronouncing the word wrong from most that do. Why would you want to mispronounce a word just because you think the actual meaning is bad in some way, is beyond me. The word is what it is, pronouncing it wrong won't change it. And if you do a bit of research, you'll see that it doesn't mean what some B-rate horror movie made you think that it does.
- twic 9y ago
  >> It's what everyone knows and uses. > That's simply not true. Seconded - i've never heard anyone pronounce 'daemon' and 'demon' differently. Of course, data is not the plural of anecdote; perhaps we could ask Stack Overflow to put it in their next developer survey?
- Analemma_ 9y ago

meken 9y ago

I watched a video by Lennart Poettering years ago on systemd and he pronounced it dah-men, which I thought was pretty slick. Though I still prefer to pronounce it "demon", mostly because that's how my undergrad system administrator friend pronounced it. This may have been the video in question https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyMLi8QF6sw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyMLi8QF6sw

jiggunjer 9y ago

If English corrupted the latin "ae" to sound like "ay", then the correct pronunciation in English should be daymon. When "ae" got replaced by "e" it was to reflect that pronunciation (in early English "e" wasn't pronounced as the sharp "ee" in modern English).

CogitoCogito 9y ago

There is no "correct" pronunciation. There are different books in different countries (with different levels of authority) documenting different pronunciations, but that's about it. The fact that it bothers you is odd. Pronouncing it as "daymon" is a way of signaling that you're talking about something very computer-related and therefore adds clarity to the language. And on the flip-side if you consider daemon and demon the same word (as it has historically been; see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16304452 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16304452 ), then why is it that the spelling "daemon" (and not "demon") is used so consistently in computing? It's quite clear that within computing, the words demon and daemon are _different_ and the fact that they are often pronounced differently reflects that. Language evolves. Get over it.