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No, this isn't correct. Please provide some kind of evidence to provide your racist claim. I really despise these kind of claims, especially when connected to p

No, this isn't correct. Please provide some kind of evidence to provide your racist claim. I really despise these kind of claims, especially when connected to political correctness. Sweden does not have a problem with political correctness - only the right wing extremists think so. I rather be politically correct (which actually means polite and respectful) than be able to spew hate against minorities without anyone telling me I'm wrong. The term only acts as a way to distract the opponent arguing against racism, sexism or other despicable ideologies. It's effective and Sweden's version of Trumping it. I agree about the laws being too rigid in regards to working professionals.

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rhapsodic 9y ago
>Sweden does not have a problem with political correctness - only the right wing extremists think so The Guardian (UK) is hardly an extremist right-wing publication, and it begs to disagree: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex-assaults-sweden-stockholm-music-festival https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex-as... (Edit: this getting hammered by downvotes is an example of PC in action.)
- antonkm 9y ago
  That's an opinion piece and not a piece of actual investigate journalism. I'd say the point still stands: the term political correctness was popularized by the racist Sweden Democrats, and is used as I expressed. It's still mainly the right wing extremists that use it, even though it's more common to see populist far righters use it also.
  - rhapsodic 9y ago
    >That's an opinion piece and not a piece of actual investigate journalism. You're moving the goalposts.
  - ygaf 9y ago
    You popularized it on this page, where no one else mentioned it.
    - antonkm 9y ago
      No, I replied to a comment which might have been removed or downvoted from visibility.
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Y_Y 9y ago
"I rather be politically correct (which actually means polite and respectful" I didn't see your comment as being very respectful of GP, but quite uncharitable and accusatory. I think that there concept of immigration has many complex facets upon which reasonable people may strongly differ, and that it does nobody any good to be branded a "hater" and disregarded, especially when they offer an opinion in good faith.
wallace_f 9y ago
Geeze, I appreciate the point about him needing to provide evidence for his unsubstantiated claim; however I don't appreciate the chance to call him a racist. Identifying racism has become a witch hunt that undermines the importance of criticizing actual racism--if every criticism of people which are from a race other than White is racist, then we need to actually find a new word for racism as its definition has turned in to meaning: politically incorrect criticism of an individual.
- antonkm 9y ago
  You think the claim that "they", here referring to immigrants (not defining skin color), isn't racist? It's a generalization on a group of people. And it's a negative one.
  - wallace_f 9y ago
    Groups of people do bad things all the time. If that group happens to be a protected class you simply can't criticize them w/o fear of this. What would be racist is if he said "since they are brown, then..." But that isn't what the user said. Not long ago in human history witch hunts swept across Europe and eventually to America. It was no small thing: millions of innocents were either murdered, tortured or imprisoned... And for what? Better to forget this history about humans exhibiting troubling psychology such as this... You might get labelled a witch yourself, or a Jew, or a racist. To be fair, we are progressing a lot at least in the sense that racism is actually a real phenomenon, and an undesirable one, but beyond that the witch hunt psychology is part of the same thread through history.
  - indubitable 9y ago
    Negative generalizations are, at best, tangentially related to racism. Racism is most fundamentally, "I think blue people are better than green people, because they're blue." Speaking negatively, or positively, of blue or green people would not be racist. Refusing to associate with any green person, because they're green, would be racist. Considering a specific blue Nobel prize winning nuclear scientist to be dumb, because blue people have a statistically lower IQ on average, would also be racist. Observing that mentioned IQ difference and considering that it would be expected to result in a lower than average distribution of aforementioned Nobel prize winning nuclear scientists, would not be racist.
raverbashing 9y ago
I don't see why my claim would be racist, it's a common strategy used by people under threat of deportation https://www.thelocal.dk/20150701/convicted-terrorist-loses-danish-citizenship https://www.thelocal.dk/20150701/convicted-terrorist-loses-d...
ad_hominem 9y ago
The unofficial existence of "no-go zones" in immigrant areas, the increase in grenade attacks, including against two police stations in the last few months (Helsingborg and Malmö), the increase in rape the last few years (particularly the recent gang rapes in Malmö) - these are all just racist fever dreams I take it?

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rhapsodic 9y ago

>Sweden does not have a problem with political correctness - only the right wing extremists think so The Guardian (UK) is hardly an extremist right-wing publication, and it begs to disagree: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex-assaults-sweden-stockholm-music-festival https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex-as... (Edit: this getting hammered by downvotes is an example of PC in action.)

antonkm 9y ago
That's an opinion piece and not a piece of actual investigate journalism. I'd say the point still stands: the term political correctness was popularized by the racist Sweden Democrats, and is used as I expressed. It's still mainly the right wing extremists that use it, even though it's more common to see populist far righters use it also.
- rhapsodic 9y ago
  >That's an opinion piece and not a piece of actual investigate journalism. You're moving the goalposts.
- ygaf 9y ago
  You popularized it on this page, where no one else mentioned it.
  - antonkm 9y ago
    No, I replied to a comment which might have been removed or downvoted from visibility.
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Y_Y 9y ago

"I rather be politically correct (which actually means polite and respectful" I didn't see your comment as being very respectful of GP, but quite uncharitable and accusatory. I think that there concept of immigration has many complex facets upon which reasonable people may strongly differ, and that it does nobody any good to be branded a "hater" and disregarded, especially when they offer an opinion in good faith.

wallace_f 9y ago

Geeze, I appreciate the point about him needing to provide evidence for his unsubstantiated claim; however I don't appreciate the chance to call him a racist. Identifying racism has become a witch hunt that undermines the importance of criticizing actual racism--if every criticism of people which are from a race other than White is racist, then we need to actually find a new word for racism as its definition has turned in to meaning: politically incorrect criticism of an individual.

antonkm 9y ago
You think the claim that "they", here referring to immigrants (not defining skin color), isn't racist? It's a generalization on a group of people. And it's a negative one.
- wallace_f 9y ago
  Groups of people do bad things all the time. If that group happens to be a protected class you simply can't criticize them w/o fear of this. What would be racist is if he said "since they are brown, then..." But that isn't what the user said. Not long ago in human history witch hunts swept across Europe and eventually to America. It was no small thing: millions of innocents were either murdered, tortured or imprisoned... And for what? Better to forget this history about humans exhibiting troubling psychology such as this... You might get labelled a witch yourself, or a Jew, or a racist. To be fair, we are progressing a lot at least in the sense that racism is actually a real phenomenon, and an undesirable one, but beyond that the witch hunt psychology is part of the same thread through history.
- indubitable 9y ago
  Negative generalizations are, at best, tangentially related to racism. Racism is most fundamentally, "I think blue people are better than green people, because they're blue." Speaking negatively, or positively, of blue or green people would not be racist. Refusing to associate with any green person, because they're green, would be racist. Considering a specific blue Nobel prize winning nuclear scientist to be dumb, because blue people have a statistically lower IQ on average, would also be racist. Observing that mentioned IQ difference and considering that it would be expected to result in a lower than average distribution of aforementioned Nobel prize winning nuclear scientists, would not be racist.

raverbashing 9y ago

I don't see why my claim would be racist, it's a common strategy used by people under threat of deportation https://www.thelocal.dk/20150701/convicted-terrorist-loses-danish-citizenship https://www.thelocal.dk/20150701/convicted-terrorist-loses-d...

ad_hominem 9y ago

The unofficial existence of "no-go zones" in immigrant areas, the increase in grenade attacks, including against two police stations in the last few months (Helsingborg and Malmö), the increase in rape the last few years (particularly the recent gang rapes in Malmö) - these are all just racist fever dreams I take it?