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I’m not saying you are wrong, but something really annoys me when I here you can’t become stateless. It's like saying you can’t not have an owner.

itake 9y ago
I think you can be stateless, but then you're not allowed to be anywhere civilized
empath75 9y ago
Being stateless is an awful thing — the rohinga are effectively stateless, for example.
planteen 9y ago
Good luck protecting yourself against a state, even if you are a billionaire. You have to sleep somewhere and protect your assets somehow.
mikekchar 9y ago
Being stateless means that you are not allowed to reside anywhere without permission. While there are some drawbacks to having citizenship (depending on the country), there are no countries where it is worth your while to withdraw citizenship without having another to fall back on. All of the legal rights that most people take for granted disappear when you are not a citizen. And if you are arrested for any reason (or even no reason), nobody will come to your aide if you are stateless. Having lived a good percentage of my adult life in countries where I do not have citizenship, it's something that I keep in mind -- I do not have the rights of a citizen. I only live here as a guest on the good graces of my host. Only international agreements with the country that I come from guarantees any due process of law in the case that there is trouble. Having said that, I completely agree with you: it would be wonderful if countries would guarantee rights of people no matter their origin or political affiliations. We don't live in that kind of world, unfortunately.
- eaandkw2 9y ago
  I totally understand. It actually sounds a lot better when you say "you are not allowed to reside anywhere without permission." It would be nice to be able to travel around the world without restrictions.

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I’m not saying you are wrong, but something really annoys me when I here you can’t become stateless. It's like saying you can’t not have an owner.

by eaandkw2 9y ago

itake 9y ago
I think you can be stateless, but then you're not allowed to be anywhere civilized
empath75 9y ago
Being stateless is an awful thing — the rohinga are effectively stateless, for example.
planteen 9y ago
Good luck protecting yourself against a state, even if you are a billionaire. You have to sleep somewhere and protect your assets somehow.
mikekchar 9y ago
Being stateless means that you are not allowed to reside anywhere without permission. While there are some drawbacks to having citizenship (depending on the country), there are no countries where it is worth your while to withdraw citizenship without having another to fall back on. All of the legal rights that most people take for granted disappear when you are not a citizen. And if you are arrested for any reason (or even no reason), nobody will come to your aide if you are stateless. Having lived a good percentage of my adult life in countries where I do not have citizenship, it's something that I keep in mind -- I do not have the rights of a citizen. I only live here as a guest on the good graces of my host. Only international agreements with the country that I come from guarantees any due process of law in the case that there is trouble. Having said that, I completely agree with you: it would be wonderful if countries would guarantee rights of people no matter their origin or political affiliations. We don't live in that kind of world, unfortunately.
- eaandkw2 9y ago
  I totally understand. It actually sounds a lot better when you say "you are not allowed to reside anywhere without permission." It would be nice to be able to travel around the world without restrictions.