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I totally agree, I also noticed that this element was missing. A think, a crucial first step would be to stop population growth. This is very intrusive in peopl

by baxtr 9y ago

I totally agree, I also noticed that this element was missing. A think, a crucial first step would be to stop population growth. This is very intrusive in people’s lives and hard to control as measure, but more than necessary. The footprint of a human being needs to be sustained by its local environment. Global effects are not helping, but in the end this problem requires a local solution.

jpatokal 9y ago
The world's population growth is screeching to a halt almost universally, even without China-style coercion. This includes India, where the total fertility rate has fallen from >6 in the 1950s to around 2.4 today, and the steady decline is set to continue.
- baxtr 9y ago
  Do have source for that on a country level?
  - jpatokal 9y ago
    The animation & sources here is a good starting point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate
    - baxtr 9y ago
      I still don’t understand the relevance of your argument. No numbers are given on that page for India. Contrast that with this page, and you’ll see that India will increase its population quite significantly until 2030. How can you not see that this is a major problem? Just because Japan is ageging India won’t be saved. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projections_of_population_growth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projections_of_population_grow...
      - ajeet_dhaliwal 9y ago
        Take a look at India’s tfr here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_union_territories_of_India_by_fertility_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_union_ter... ‘Population momentum’ will mean they keep growing for a 2-3 decades but the tfr is very low in many states (well below replacement level) but there are a couple of big poor states where it’s still higher than replacement level but still not anywhere near as high as it used to be. The damage was done in the 50s and 60s for the most part, people are having far fewer children today. In some wealthy states like Punjab and Kerala it’s far below replacement and in fact lower than even Western Europe and the USA.
- cc81 9y ago
  Last I've read the population growth has not reduced as quickly as hoped in Africa and soon most of the worlds population growth will happen there.
shripadk 9y ago
No population control is no longer a necessity. Hans Rosling explains it really well in this video: https://vimeo.com/79878808 https://vimeo.com/79878808
- mythrwy 9y ago
  Maybe globally it's not. Some regions however would eliminate a great amount of suffering were they able to implement it. Because at the end of the day population control comes around anyway.
  - baxtr 9y ago
    I am starting to think that Hans Rosling did some real harm. People confuse a global trend with a local one. In a World with borders, local overpopulation will lead to catastrophes, where millions could be affected.
    - shripadk 9y ago
      Overpopulation can be addressed by building more cities. Take India for example. Mumbai is overpopulated. The reason for this is that it's the financial hub of the country and also has a booming movie industry (Bollywood). But that will change once we have smart cities through the Smart Cities Mission: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_Cities_Mission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_Cities_Mission This will lead to natural decongestion as industries will spread out over a larger area causing large populations to shift base. For instance, the Dholera Smart City (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOFpWFLSqgU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOFpWFLSqgU) based in Gujarat will become operational in 2019 (http://www.dnaindia.com/money/report-dholera-smart-city-to-be-operational-by-2019-gujarat-govt-2221454 http://www.dnaindia.com/money/report-dholera-smart-city-to-b...).

by baxtr 9y ago

jpatokal 9y ago

The world's population growth is screeching to a halt almost universally, even without China-style coercion. This includes India, where the total fertility rate has fallen from >6 in the 1950s to around 2.4 today, and the steady decline is set to continue.

baxtr 9y ago
Do have source for that on a country level?
- jpatokal 9y ago
  The animation & sources here is a good starting point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate
  - baxtr 9y ago
    I still don’t understand the relevance of your argument. No numbers are given on that page for India. Contrast that with this page, and you’ll see that India will increase its population quite significantly until 2030. How can you not see that this is a major problem? Just because Japan is ageging India won’t be saved. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projections_of_population_growth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projections_of_population_grow...
    - ajeet_dhaliwal 9y ago
      Take a look at India’s tfr here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_union_territories_of_India_by_fertility_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_and_union_ter... ‘Population momentum’ will mean they keep growing for a 2-3 decades but the tfr is very low in many states (well below replacement level) but there are a couple of big poor states where it’s still higher than replacement level but still not anywhere near as high as it used to be. The damage was done in the 50s and 60s for the most part, people are having far fewer children today. In some wealthy states like Punjab and Kerala it’s far below replacement and in fact lower than even Western Europe and the USA.
cc81 9y ago
Last I've read the population growth has not reduced as quickly as hoped in Africa and soon most of the worlds population growth will happen there.

shripadk 9y ago

No population control is no longer a necessity. Hans Rosling explains it really well in this video: https://vimeo.com/79878808 https://vimeo.com/79878808

mythrwy 9y ago
Maybe globally it's not. Some regions however would eliminate a great amount of suffering were they able to implement it. Because at the end of the day population control comes around anyway.
- baxtr 9y ago
  I am starting to think that Hans Rosling did some real harm. People confuse a global trend with a local one. In a World with borders, local overpopulation will lead to catastrophes, where millions could be affected.
  - shripadk 9y ago
    Overpopulation can be addressed by building more cities. Take India for example. Mumbai is overpopulated. The reason for this is that it's the financial hub of the country and also has a booming movie industry (Bollywood). But that will change once we have smart cities through the Smart Cities Mission: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_Cities_Mission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_Cities_Mission This will lead to natural decongestion as industries will spread out over a larger area causing large populations to shift base. For instance, the Dholera Smart City (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOFpWFLSqgU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOFpWFLSqgU) based in Gujarat will become operational in 2019 (http://www.dnaindia.com/money/report-dholera-smart-city-to-be-operational-by-2019-gujarat-govt-2221454 http://www.dnaindia.com/money/report-dholera-smart-city-to-b...).