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The public roads aren't private spaces. We allow you to drive on the public roads, in exchange for you giving up your driving privacy. This is why cops can st

The public roads aren't private spaces. We allow you to drive on the public roads, in exchange for you giving up your driving privacy. This is why cops can stop you and give you a breathalyzer at will, because that's the trade-off you agreed to when you got your driver's license. If you want to encrypt your driving data, you should only drive on private roads. I never assume that driving is a right, instead of a privilege, and the best way to maintain privacy is to just not participate in public activities in the first place..

white-flame 9y ago
In a practical sense, people DO have their own expectation of privacy in being "lost in the crowd" when in public places, regardless of what the legal systems project & rationalize. Regarding public roads, we need licensing and insurance because we can severely damage other people sharing the same space, but that's not necessarily linked to consent to eliminate privacy there. We expect as reasonable for license plates to be recorded when something bad or suspicious happens, and that things like comprehensive license plate tracking is an invasion of privacy.
paganel 9y ago
> I never assume that driving is a right, instead of a privilege, and the best way to maintain privacy is to just not participate in public activities in the first place.. You can extend that reasoning to public sidewalks. I mean, walking is indeed a "public activity" that takes place in a public space, so I assume that following your line of logic you'd be ok with any public authority following you or me (or anyone else for that matter) without any warrant, wouldn't you?
UncleEntity 9y ago
> We allow you to drive on the public roads, in exchange for you giving up your driving privacy. This is why cops can stop you and give you a breathalyzer at will, because that's the trade-off you agreed to when you got your driver's license. Uh-huh... It's been a long time so perhaps I missed the part where I signed away my constitutional protections in exchange for my privilege to operate a motorized vehicle. Unless by "at will" you mean "under reasonable suspicion" and/or "with probable cause"? Yet again you people make me sad...

white-flame 9y ago

In a practical sense, people DO have their own expectation of privacy in being "lost in the crowd" when in public places, regardless of what the legal systems project & rationalize. Regarding public roads, we need licensing and insurance because we can severely damage other people sharing the same space, but that's not necessarily linked to consent to eliminate privacy there. We expect as reasonable for license plates to be recorded when something bad or suspicious happens, and that things like comprehensive license plate tracking is an invasion of privacy.

paganel 9y ago

> I never assume that driving is a right, instead of a privilege, and the best way to maintain privacy is to just not participate in public activities in the first place.. You can extend that reasoning to public sidewalks. I mean, walking is indeed a "public activity" that takes place in a public space, so I assume that following your line of logic you'd be ok with any public authority following you or me (or anyone else for that matter) without any warrant, wouldn't you?

UncleEntity 9y ago

> We allow you to drive on the public roads, in exchange for you giving up your driving privacy. This is why cops can stop you and give you a breathalyzer at will, because that's the trade-off you agreed to when you got your driver's license. Uh-huh... It's been a long time so perhaps I missed the part where I signed away my constitutional protections in exchange for my privilege to operate a motorized vehicle. Unless by "at will" you mean "under reasonable suspicion" and/or "with probable cause"? Yet again you people make me sad...