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And you just hit on one of the major problems with practically all of google's algorithms, in a social context, as pretty much everything Google ever does is me

And you just hit on one of the major problems with practically all of google's algorithms, in a social context, as pretty much everything Google ever does is measuring popularity(and for the most advanced of their algorithms popularity within "subculture"), and it's not like Facebook is really doing anything more sophisticated then ranking popularity and putting people in boxes either. Which mean that can only ever be an agent of reinforcing existing "cultures" and never really evolve into an agent of exploratory learning. Now it might not be a big problem in the real world that google's algorithms essentially exists as Kuhn paradigm enforcers, locking people into a bubble of accepted dogmatic knowledge(as traditional journalism plays/played the same role is), if it were not for the fact that just about everyone pretends the opposite is true for modern machine learning.

candiodari 9y ago
Isn't this a serious stretch ? I mean, sure there currently is an algorithm limitation that "turns it into a popularity contest". (I strongly disagree with that wording, but I sort of see what you mean if I squint strongly) This is a bug. Plain and simple. (Also as someone who speaks French I would like to point out that the counter on "English speaking person programs a language related thing that gets gender wrong" has long since crossed the 6 digit mark. Maybe language apps should be written by people whose native tongue is a complex language like French or German (I am sure there are others, just examples)) So unfortunately this is a fundamental bug that will take serious research to solve, and it's unlikely to be solved really quickly (let's say ... a year, two tops), but it's a bug that will be solved. It's like "energy is too expensive to just have cheap global travel without airports" type bug. It's a bug, it's currently beyond our capability to fix, but it WILL be fixed. The other claims you make are too far fetched to even respond to. All of Google's algorithms, bubble of accepted dogmatic knowledge (I would even contend that Google by itself is responsible for 20-30% of the worldwide IQ rise seen during it's existence). > just about everyone pretends the opposite is true for modern machine learning. Nope. That's not pretending. That's simply true. However when you request such a machine algorithm "do the same those guys do", and "those guys" are a racist/sexist/... society, then it will come up with slightly off-color conclusions on occasion. Humans, in my experience, are much worse.
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candiodari 9y ago

Isn't this a serious stretch ? I mean, sure there currently is an algorithm limitation that "turns it into a popularity contest". (I strongly disagree with that wording, but I sort of see what you mean if I squint strongly) This is a bug. Plain and simple. (Also as someone who speaks French I would like to point out that the counter on "English speaking person programs a language related thing that gets gender wrong" has long since crossed the 6 digit mark. Maybe language apps should be written by people whose native tongue is a complex language like French or German (I am sure there are others, just examples)) So unfortunately this is a fundamental bug that will take serious research to solve, and it's unlikely to be solved really quickly (let's say ... a year, two tops), but it's a bug that will be solved. It's like "energy is too expensive to just have cheap global travel without airports" type bug. It's a bug, it's currently beyond our capability to fix, but it WILL be fixed. The other claims you make are too far fetched to even respond to. All of Google's algorithms, bubble of accepted dogmatic knowledge (I would even contend that Google by itself is responsible for 20-30% of the worldwide IQ rise seen during it's existence). > just about everyone pretends the opposite is true for modern machine learning. Nope. That's not pretending. That's simply true. However when you request such a machine algorithm "do the same those guys do", and "those guys" are a racist/sexist/... society, then it will come up with slightly off-color conclusions on occasion. Humans, in my experience, are much worse.

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