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If Apple doesn't agree with you that you own the software on the phone, then jailbreaking your phone is "stealing" the software from them...

alextgordon 16y ago
It seems much more likely that they'll use this to recover stolen phones (which makes them money), than to spy on jailbreakers (which makes them no money, and will probably get them sued).
- jrockway 16y ago
  You forgot part 3, where law enforcement compels Apple to activate this "feature" on whomever the suspect of the day is. Most people don't realize that they are trading their privacy for a shiny GUI when they buy an iPhone, which is why the EFF tries to remind them.
  - masklinn 16y ago
    > Most people don't realize that they are trading their privacy for a shiny GUI when they buy an iPhone You do realize that you trade privacy for convenience every time you carry a cell phone with you — unless it's a one-time phone with prepaid SIMs — don't you? There is no need for "a shiny GUI" for that, be it Apple's, Google's or HP's.
    - jrockway 16y ago
      That's true, but while my government-tapped phone can only harm my privacy, your government-tapped iPhone can harm everyone's privacy (by recording sounds and video and sending them to Apple's Centralized Server). Now, I know there is no "expectation of privacy" in public, but does anyone really expect that some random person's phone is recording a video stream of you and storing it indefinitely on a private company's servers?
      - ubernostrum 16y ago
        Government agencies have used cellular phones as recording devices since long before there was such a thing as an iPhone. Take your meds and get some sleep.
        jrockway 16y ago
        Oh yeah. The government has already taken some privacy rights, so we should stop speaking out against taking more. You can do that, but I'm going to continue to support the EFF and ACLU. Take your meds and get some sleep. I wouldn't need the meds if the Internet wasn't so full of rhetoric like this!
masklinn 16y ago
1. That doesn't even come close to technically incorrect. 2. Nothing in the application or idea of the software hints at such a use. A much more likely use case (the only sane one unless you're looking out for the black helicopters) is an extension of the existing "find my phone" set of features, which allow the phone's owner to locate and attempt to recover a lost or stolen piece of property

alextgordon 16y ago

It seems much more likely that they'll use this to recover stolen phones (which makes them money), than to spy on jailbreakers (which makes them no money, and will probably get them sued).

jrockway 16y ago
You forgot part 3, where law enforcement compels Apple to activate this "feature" on whomever the suspect of the day is. Most people don't realize that they are trading their privacy for a shiny GUI when they buy an iPhone, which is why the EFF tries to remind them.
- masklinn 16y ago
  > Most people don't realize that they are trading their privacy for a shiny GUI when they buy an iPhone You do realize that you trade privacy for convenience every time you carry a cell phone with you — unless it's a one-time phone with prepaid SIMs — don't you? There is no need for "a shiny GUI" for that, be it Apple's, Google's or HP's.
  - jrockway 16y ago
    That's true, but while my government-tapped phone can only harm my privacy, your government-tapped iPhone can harm everyone's privacy (by recording sounds and video and sending them to Apple's Centralized Server). Now, I know there is no "expectation of privacy" in public, but does anyone really expect that some random person's phone is recording a video stream of you and storing it indefinitely on a private company's servers?
    - ubernostrum 16y ago
      Government agencies have used cellular phones as recording devices since long before there was such a thing as an iPhone. Take your meds and get some sleep.
      - jrockway 16y ago
        Oh yeah. The government has already taken some privacy rights, so we should stop speaking out against taking more. You can do that, but I'm going to continue to support the EFF and ACLU. Take your meds and get some sleep. I wouldn't need the meds if the Internet wasn't so full of rhetoric like this!

masklinn 16y ago

1. That doesn't even come close to technically incorrect. 2. Nothing in the application or idea of the software hints at such a use. A much more likely use case (the only sane one unless you're looking out for the black helicopters) is an extension of the existing "find my phone" set of features, which allow the phone's owner to locate and attempt to recover a lost or stolen piece of property