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Keep in mind that vega/plant based diets are purely political diets. I mean if you want to do them, that's fine, but there's not a huge health aspect. A lot of

Keep in mind that vega/plant based diets are purely political diets. I mean if you want to do them, that's fine, but there's not a huge health aspect. A lot of studies are showing the largest factor in heart disease and obesity is not fat, but carbohydrates (specifically starches and sugars, not dietary fiber or sugar alcohols). A lot of people today still think Adkins died of heart disease because of a (later rededicated) Reuters article with bad information (he was old, slipped on a piece of ice and bused his skull). I wonder had the Adkins diet movement not died off, if we'd see a significant reduction in obesity today. It might be difficult to eat vegan, but it's much more difficult to eat low carb. Look carefully at everything in your pantry.

dragonwriter 9y ago
> I wonder had the Adkins diet movement not died off, if we'd see a significant reduction in obesity today. Atkins was mostly displaced by other low-carb diet fads, so probably not. > It might be difficult to eat vegan, but it's much more difficult to eat low carb. Expensive, because cheap stables tend to be carb-heavy, but not actually all that difficult.
XR0CSWV3h3kZWg 9y ago
> Keep in mind that vega/plant based diets are purely political diets. Huh? What about environmental impact and ethical concerns? What source do you use for your beliefs on what causes heart disease? What you are saying contradicts the CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/behavior.htm https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/behavior.htm Harvard indicates that low carb high fat has protective effects, but not if you get the fat from meat. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/low-carbohydrate-diets/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/l...
- brucephillips 9y ago
  There's a lot of information out there, but you can start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat_and_cardiovascular_disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat_and_cardiovascul...
cageface 9y ago
There is an extensive disinformation campaign going on, largely funded by meat and dairy companies, to confuse people about this. Refined carbohydrates and sugars are not healthy, it’s true. But the idea that saturated fat is safe is not supported by any solid science. Summarized here: https://www.libertariannews.org/2016/03/07/dr-peter-attia-readdressing-dietary-guidelines/ https://www.libertariannews.org/2016/03/07/dr-peter-attia-re... https://nutritionfacts.org/2015/05/19/low-carb-diets-and-coronary-blood-flow/ https://nutritionfacts.org/2015/05/19/low-carb-diets-and-cor...
- brucephillips 9y ago
  Since the title of your first source is "Hack, Liar and All Round Disgusting Individual", I'm not inclined to trust it or investigate further.
  - cageface 9y ago
    What else can you call somebody peddling pseudoscience that's horrifically damaging to individuals, animals, and the planet?
    - brucephillips 9y ago
      You don't call them anything. You address their arguments and methodology. All the axe grinding in that article makes it read like a tabloid, and I don't trust tabloids.
      - cageface 9y ago
        Try this instead then: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/well/good-fats-bad-fats.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/well/good-fats-bad-fats.h... Or this: https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-saturated-fat-studies-buttering-up-the-public/ https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-saturated-fat-studies-b...
shlant 9y ago
> Keep in mind that vega/plant based diets are purely political diets. I mean if you want to do them, that's fine, but there's not a huge health aspect. It's pretty clear you have a bias/agenda considering how easily refutable that statement is [1][2][3][4][5] 1. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/plant-based-diet-reduced-diabetes-risk-hu-satija/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/plant-based... 2. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3565018/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3565018/ 3. http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PII0140-6736(90)91656-U/abstract http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PII0140-673... 4. https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/halt-heart-disease-with-a-plant-based-oil-free-diet- https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/halt-heart-disea... 5. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4315380/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4315380/

dragonwriter 9y ago

> I wonder had the Adkins diet movement not died off, if we'd see a significant reduction in obesity today. Atkins was mostly displaced by other low-carb diet fads, so probably not. > It might be difficult to eat vegan, but it's much more difficult to eat low carb. Expensive, because cheap stables tend to be carb-heavy, but not actually all that difficult.

XR0CSWV3h3kZWg 9y ago

> Keep in mind that vega/plant based diets are purely political diets. Huh? What about environmental impact and ethical concerns? What source do you use for your beliefs on what causes heart disease? What you are saying contradicts the CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/behavior.htm https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/behavior.htm Harvard indicates that low carb high fat has protective effects, but not if you get the fat from meat. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/low-carbohydrate-diets/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/carbohydrates/l...

brucephillips 9y ago
There's a lot of information out there, but you can start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat_and_cardiovascular_disease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat_and_cardiovascul...

cageface 9y ago

There is an extensive disinformation campaign going on, largely funded by meat and dairy companies, to confuse people about this. Refined carbohydrates and sugars are not healthy, it’s true. But the idea that saturated fat is safe is not supported by any solid science. Summarized here: https://www.libertariannews.org/2016/03/07/dr-peter-attia-readdressing-dietary-guidelines/ https://www.libertariannews.org/2016/03/07/dr-peter-attia-re... https://nutritionfacts.org/2015/05/19/low-carb-diets-and-coronary-blood-flow/ https://nutritionfacts.org/2015/05/19/low-carb-diets-and-cor...

brucephillips 9y ago
Since the title of your first source is "Hack, Liar and All Round Disgusting Individual", I'm not inclined to trust it or investigate further.
- cageface 9y ago
  What else can you call somebody peddling pseudoscience that's horrifically damaging to individuals, animals, and the planet?
  - brucephillips 9y ago
    You don't call them anything. You address their arguments and methodology. All the axe grinding in that article makes it read like a tabloid, and I don't trust tabloids.
    - cageface 9y ago
      Try this instead then: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/well/good-fats-bad-fats.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/29/well/good-fats-bad-fats.h... Or this: https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-saturated-fat-studies-buttering-up-the-public/ https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-saturated-fat-studies-b...

shlant 9y ago

> Keep in mind that vega/plant based diets are purely political diets. I mean if you want to do them, that's fine, but there's not a huge health aspect. It's pretty clear you have a bias/agenda considering how easily refutable that statement is [1][2][3][4][5] 1. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/plant-based-diet-reduced-diabetes-risk-hu-satija/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/plant-based... 2. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3565018/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3565018/ 3. http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PII0140-6736(90)91656-U/abstract http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PII0140-673... 4. https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/halt-heart-disease-with-a-plant-based-oil-free-diet- https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-health/halt-heart-disea... 5. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4315380/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4315380/