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You're confusing emergency care with non-elective care. Just because something isn't an ER visit doesn't mean you don't need to get treated for it immediately.

You're confusing emergency care with non-elective care. Just because something isn't an ER visit doesn't mean you don't need to get treated for it immediately. E.g. the flu. > I'd be interested in any citations you could provide that shows that system-wide preventative care is dwarfed by the system-wide costs of major incidents for the elderly. 95% of healthcare spend is reactive, 5% is preventative[0] Medical spending in the last three years before death accounts for 13.4 percent of aggregate US medical spending.[1] And this ignores major treatments for people over 65 that occur more than 3 years before they die (and on average, people live 20+ years after they turn 65.) [0] http://www.newsweek.com/health-prevention-worth-money-86075 http://www.newsweek.com/health-prevention-worth-money-86075 [1] https://meps.ahrq.gov/data_files/publications/st429/stat429.pdf https://meps.ahrq.gov/data_files/publications/st429/stat429....

Consultant32452 9y ago
Well, when you're setting the standard of being unable to negotiate or shop around for prices, you're definitely not talking about stuff like flu treatment. Sure, that might not be "elective" care, but it's not the type of care that stops you from making a couple phone calls to different providers. But more likely you know which provider is the "wal-mart" provider vs which is the "Macy's" provider.
- tomkarlo 9y ago
  Let's consider the flu. Before you choose your provider you don't even know you have the flu in many cases. You might have a cold, or something much more serious. How is a consumer supposed to make an educated choice about what provider they should take when they don't even know their diagnosis? Simply saying "I'll take the cheaper one" is not an educated buying decision - it just incentivizes providers to provide the lowest quote up front, and maybe the worst service.
  - Consultant32452 9y ago
    You would do the same thing you do today. There's a few options, you could go to your primary care physician who would have a known price for an office visit. You could go to an urgent care type facility. You could go to something like a CVS Minute Clinic which has flat rates for "minor illness" visits. All of whom may discover you have something more serious and refer you elsewhere. You are acting as if paying out of pocket at a price not determined by an authoritarian central planner would suddenly mean nothing in healthcare would be regulated in any way and people would be getting healthcare from crackhead joe in the back alley. Not everyone will pick the cheapest option all the time. Today there are free clinics in many places. Most people don't go to those. Some people will choose Wal-mart. Some people will choose Macy's. And there will be a myriad of options in between.

Consultant32452 9y ago

Well, when you're setting the standard of being unable to negotiate or shop around for prices, you're definitely not talking about stuff like flu treatment. Sure, that might not be "elective" care, but it's not the type of care that stops you from making a couple phone calls to different providers. But more likely you know which provider is the "wal-mart" provider vs which is the "Macy's" provider.

tomkarlo 9y ago
Let's consider the flu. Before you choose your provider you don't even know you have the flu in many cases. You might have a cold, or something much more serious. How is a consumer supposed to make an educated choice about what provider they should take when they don't even know their diagnosis? Simply saying "I'll take the cheaper one" is not an educated buying decision - it just incentivizes providers to provide the lowest quote up front, and maybe the worst service.
- Consultant32452 9y ago
  You would do the same thing you do today. There's a few options, you could go to your primary care physician who would have a known price for an office visit. You could go to an urgent care type facility. You could go to something like a CVS Minute Clinic which has flat rates for "minor illness" visits. All of whom may discover you have something more serious and refer you elsewhere. You are acting as if paying out of pocket at a price not determined by an authoritarian central planner would suddenly mean nothing in healthcare would be regulated in any way and people would be getting healthcare from crackhead joe in the back alley. Not everyone will pick the cheapest option all the time. Today there are free clinics in many places. Most people don't go to those. Some people will choose Wal-mart. Some people will choose Macy's. And there will be a myriad of options in between.