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I'm conflicted on this. I really do like the idea of a challenger to the linux monoculture (among devs)/the windows monoculture (among consumers), but I really

• snvzz 9y ago
  >If it was pretty much anyone else doing this. Look at seL4, minix3, genode, helenos.
• forgot-my-pw 9y ago
  Like Android, this is OSS. Sure, Google runs the core development, but everyone will benefit from this eventually.
  • cat199 9y ago
    Control the API, control the platform. Control the platform, control the market around the platform. Sure it's 'open', but at the same time, heavily subject to the authority of the owners. See also the systemd/gnome impact to linux ecosystem.. posix in general keeps unices and unix likes (including linux here) more open than other systems since the API is less fluid / under the influence of a single group.. this phenomenon won't occur here.
    • jacksmith21006 9y ago
      Echo runs on Android. Amazon Fire runs on Android.
• happyguy43 9y ago
  How exactly is Google getting power here? The code is totally open. They just seem to be giving themselves more flexibility and potential to build better products. If anything, this will result in less power over the Linux kernel for Google. It seems like that’s something you’d appreciate. (My response to s2g’s reply below because HN is terrible for commenting: I see your point that they now unilaterally control how the kernel is engineered, but my counter argument is that I don’t think this meaningfully changes their control over the platform. They were already free to modify the Linux kernel at their whim. Having upstream control doesn’t make you emperor of derived applications. As a separate point, don’t you think it just results in less efficiency and worst products if google isn’t free to steer the project in the direction that makes the most sense for the application? It seems they can more easily make zircon for their use case, and I think that will result in cheaper and better phones.)
  • s2g 9y ago
    How many of the core devs don't work for Google? How much of the overall project direction is decided by people who have nothing to do with Google? Saying "it's open, so they don't really control it" is like saying Linus doesn't have control of the Linux kernel. Maybe google will figure out how to make an Android style play and hold this OS hostage by withholding their services. > If anything, this will result in less power over the Linux kernel for Google. It seems like that’s something you’d appreciate. Yes.
    • throwaway0071 9y ago
      > How many of the core devs don't work for Google? How much of the overall project direction is decided by people who have nothing to do with Google? This is why some developers are starting to hate open source. There's no technical excitement, it's all about community and governance and who has power and corporations and codes of conduct, etc... If not, you're going to fail. You get an army of experts scrutinizing your project and it's unexciting.
  • cpeterso 9y ago
    Fuschia uses a BSD style license whereas the Linux kernel is GPL. Google or hardware vendors can modify the Fuschia code without sharing the changes with the public, for better or worse.
    • dragonwriter 9y ago
      Google, as the copyright owner, could do that, or let hardware vendors do so, even if it was GPL. BSD-style means that anyone can do that, even Google's competitors, without any additional permission from Google.
  • swiley 9y ago
    Everyone said the same thing about Android.
    • sangnoir 9y ago