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And it also says things like horses, chariots, steel, and other anachronistic things existed in the pre-Columbian Americas. There is no evidence (to date) to su
by ga_golfnut 9y ago
And it also says things like horses, chariots, steel, and other anachronistic things existed in the pre-Columbian Americas. There is no evidence (to date) to support any of those claims. You might want to look into the history of NWAF and Thomas Ferguson. Michael Coe, a renowned expert in this field and also mentioned on this post, was friends with Ferguson. It's an interesting history.
- dragonwriter 9y ago> And it also says things like horses, chariots, steel, and other anachronistic things existed in the pre-Columbian Americas. There is no evidence (to date) to support any of those claims. Horses definitively existed in (far enough) precolumbian America. The dominant belief seems to be that they died out (perhaps due to human hunting) at or shortly after the end of the Pleistocene, ca. 10-12kya, but there is some evidence there may have been some populations around as late as ca. 3kya, IIRC. EDIT: of course, one must keep in mind that the horses of precolumbian America were much smaller than Old World horses, so it's not really plausible that they'd be being ridden, pulling chariots, or generally being used like Old World horses even if it is (just barely) plausible that they were around at the right time.
- ga_golfnut 9y agoI should have qualified that with "during the Book of Mormon timeline".
- dragonwriter 9y ago3kya is just about at the Book of Mormon timeline.
- ga_golfnut 9y agoJust about is fair but still short by ~400 years, unless you count the Jaredites. They purportedly fled the Old World around the time of the Tower of Babel (~2000 BCE IIRC?). EDIT: I wasn't sure if the Book of Ether even mentioned horses, but it did, along with elephants. [1] [1] https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/ether/9.19?lang=eng&clang=eng#p18 https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/ether/9.19?lang=eng&clan...
- crobertsbmw 9y agoCould it be that maybe some things were lost in translation? Maybe a “chariot” isn’t exactly the way we think of a chariot now. Maybe it was just a saddle?
- ga_golfnut 9y agoYou might want to look into the loose vs. tight translation theories. There are resulting consequences with sticking with either one.
- Krich123 9y agoJohn Sorenson ( Professor of Anthropology at BYU) addresses most of your speculations in this article. I found his responses very well written: https://www.fairmormon.org/archive/publications/an-open-letter-to-dr-michael-coe https://www.fairmormon.org/archive/publications/an-open-lett...
- mholt 9y agoThere certainly is, you just have to look for it. https://bookofmormoncentral.org/blog/new-evidence-for-horses-in-america https://bookofmormoncentral.org/blog/new-evidence-for-horses...
- ga_golfnut 9y ago> While the evidence for horses in pre-Columbian America is encouraging, it still requires some caution. Additional C-14 dating from other samples will be needed to change the prevailing view. Until then, this evidence should be considered provisional, but promising. And was that peer reviewed?
- Krich123 9y agoYou may find the responses in this article intriguing: https://www.fairmormon.org/archive/publications/an-open-letter-to-dr-michael-coe https://www.fairmormon.org/archive/publications/an-open-lett...