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Yeah, you're a lone wolf. No you arent. You're an ape. You arent chosing anything you feel, including this rebelliousness which may have its origins in fear of

Yeah, you're a lone wolf. No you arent. You're an ape. You arent chosing anything you feel, including this rebelliousness which may have its origins in fear of unpredictable group emoting. I have that fear too, I am equally mistrusful of groups and of authority. But that mechanism is merely a feedback cycle into group emotional regulation. Your fear is just another tool of group cohesion. We are fundamentally a social species it is core to the construction of our psychology. Your dissent isnt lonefulness, in which you wouldnt even be commenting here.. your impetus to involve yourself with others is your group drive. Even if, internally, this seems "rebellious" -- rebellion is a mode of group interaction.

hutzlibu 9y ago
Hm, you got me wrong there. Even though I am lonewolfing quite a lot, I know I am a social being and I like to be part of a group. I am just turned off by most mainstream group's, which actually look to me that the main thing that is holding them together, is either force or alcohol. But those who do likes that, I don't mind. I am just into different groups.
- mjburgess 9y ago
  You're conflating being "turned off" with some mythical form of individualism. What you mean by individualism is actually a form of group dynamic. > is either force or alcohol. In fact it is neither. It is the very same thing that provides you with impetus to comment here.
  - hutzlibu 9y ago
    And I believe you don't understand what I say. You say I am a individualistic lonewolf, because I don't like common groups that much and don't feel part of them, but rather be part of other groups to which I feel connected and therefore then also feel with that group? How does that add up. "> is either force or alcohol. In fact it is neither. It is the very same thing that provides you with impetus to comment here." And no, when I refer to a common school group for example, it is a group bound together by force - they all have to go to school and don't have much say which class etc. And when I refer to common drunk people on mainstream festivals who are friends as long as they are drunk, then they are bound mainly by alcohol, even though it does satisfy some social needs for them. And yes, next to intellectual curiosity, I also read and comment here because of the HN community, to which I feel connected. Did I ever said otherwise? (oh and by the way, wolves are also very social beeings and the lone wolf hunting is a very rare thing)

hutzlibu 9y ago

Hm, you got me wrong there. Even though I am lonewolfing quite a lot, I know I am a social being and I like to be part of a group. I am just turned off by most mainstream group's, which actually look to me that the main thing that is holding them together, is either force or alcohol. But those who do likes that, I don't mind. I am just into different groups.

mjburgess 9y ago
You're conflating being "turned off" with some mythical form of individualism. What you mean by individualism is actually a form of group dynamic. > is either force or alcohol. In fact it is neither. It is the very same thing that provides you with impetus to comment here.
- hutzlibu 9y ago
  And I believe you don't understand what I say. You say I am a individualistic lonewolf, because I don't like common groups that much and don't feel part of them, but rather be part of other groups to which I feel connected and therefore then also feel with that group? How does that add up. "> is either force or alcohol. In fact it is neither. It is the very same thing that provides you with impetus to comment here." And no, when I refer to a common school group for example, it is a group bound together by force - they all have to go to school and don't have much say which class etc. And when I refer to common drunk people on mainstream festivals who are friends as long as they are drunk, then they are bound mainly by alcohol, even though it does satisfy some social needs for them. And yes, next to intellectual curiosity, I also read and comment here because of the HN community, to which I feel connected. Did I ever said otherwise? (oh and by the way, wolves are also very social beeings and the lone wolf hunting is a very rare thing)