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My personal solution has been to give up all animal products.

by spraak 9y ago

kurthr 9y ago
How does that help with the adulterated vegetables?
- cratermoon 9y ago
  Nobody is dosing vegetables with antibiotics. Bacteria that are pathological for plants generally want nothing to do with the warm, oxygenated environment of people.
  - kurthr 9y ago
    The post user spraak was responding to, who's content I was responding to, which you responded to contained the final line: Even vegetables sold in India are dangerous [3]. and the reference [3] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/City/Lucknow/Veggies-on-steroids-are-softly-killing-you/articleshow/4717994.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/City/Lucknow/Veggies-on-... which refers to the human active hormones/steroids that are put in Inidan vegetables in a similar effort to marginally improve their yield with unknown, but probable systemic and ecological effects. The point being that unregulated food markets of any sort will lead to unhealthy and societally damaging "externalities" even in the predominantly vegetarian India.
    - cratermoon 9y ago
      That I can agree with 100%
- spraak 9y ago
  First of all, why does it need to? It's so tiring when a solution is thrown out just because it doesn't solve everything. A very common argument against vegans is "well, animals (like rats, mice) are still (accidentally) killed in harvesting grains". Yeah, so? That could be prevented with better care harvesting, and also not eating animal products is a massive reduction already vs. the amount of animals kill from grain harvesting.
  - hunter23 9y ago
    I think the argument is that our entire food supply is corrupted / adulterated so switching your diet from one type of organism to another doesn't improve the issue since both organisms are being treated with "corruptions" (genetic modification, pesticides, chemicals that aid growth). Unless you are saying that the adulteration in vegetables and grains is less harmful to humans than that in animals the solution proposed doesn't improve "adulteration". (I don't really agree with either viewpoint I'm just trying to explain the argument)
    - loverofthings 9y ago
      Animal tissue unlike plant tissue accumulates stuff magnitudes more. Bioaccumulation of harmful substances as we rise through the food chain is a known issue. Using our best antibiotics to produce 60 billion chickens per year is a state financed suicide and not at all a free market mechanism.
      - kurthr 9y ago
        A grain sprayed with herbicide or a fruit sprayed with an insecticide is going to accumulate in your meat just as well as it will in a chicken, but I agree it will concentrate in predators (like salmon) and omnivores (like humans). What I don't understand is how the unregulated shipment of of a antibiotic from one country (where it is controlled) for a chicken industry in another country (one of whom was actually bought by pharma company in India) to increase profits of both private companies is "state financed suicide and not at all a free market mechanism". It sounds exactly like laissez faire capitalism exploitation due to bypass of state regulation.
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  - jachee 9y ago
    > Why does it need to? I'm sure you'd rather your romaine not come with a free side of E. coli. If the majority of the food supply is tainted, your choices from within it doesn't affect the rest.

My personal solution has been to give up all animal products.

by spraak 9y ago

My personal solution has been to give up all animal products.

kurthr 9y ago

How does that help with the adulterated vegetables?

cratermoon 9y ago
Nobody is dosing vegetables with antibiotics. Bacteria that are pathological for plants generally want nothing to do with the warm, oxygenated environment of people.
- kurthr 9y ago
  The post user spraak was responding to, who's content I was responding to, which you responded to contained the final line: Even vegetables sold in India are dangerous [3]. and the reference [3] https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/City/Lucknow/Veggies-on-steroids-are-softly-killing-you/articleshow/4717994.cms https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/City/Lucknow/Veggies-on-... which refers to the human active hormones/steroids that are put in Inidan vegetables in a similar effort to marginally improve their yield with unknown, but probable systemic and ecological effects. The point being that unregulated food markets of any sort will lead to unhealthy and societally damaging "externalities" even in the predominantly vegetarian India.
  - cratermoon 9y ago
    That I can agree with 100%
spraak 9y ago
First of all, why does it need to? It's so tiring when a solution is thrown out just because it doesn't solve everything. A very common argument against vegans is "well, animals (like rats, mice) are still (accidentally) killed in harvesting grains". Yeah, so? That could be prevented with better care harvesting, and also not eating animal products is a massive reduction already vs. the amount of animals kill from grain harvesting.
- hunter23 9y ago
  I think the argument is that our entire food supply is corrupted / adulterated so switching your diet from one type of organism to another doesn't improve the issue since both organisms are being treated with "corruptions" (genetic modification, pesticides, chemicals that aid growth). Unless you are saying that the adulteration in vegetables and grains is less harmful to humans than that in animals the solution proposed doesn't improve "adulteration". (I don't really agree with either viewpoint I'm just trying to explain the argument)
  - loverofthings 9y ago
    Animal tissue unlike plant tissue accumulates stuff magnitudes more. Bioaccumulation of harmful substances as we rise through the food chain is a known issue. Using our best antibiotics to produce 60 billion chickens per year is a state financed suicide and not at all a free market mechanism.
    - kurthr 9y ago
      A grain sprayed with herbicide or a fruit sprayed with an insecticide is going to accumulate in your meat just as well as it will in a chicken, but I agree it will concentrate in predators (like salmon) and omnivores (like humans). What I don't understand is how the unregulated shipment of of a antibiotic from one country (where it is controlled) for a chicken industry in another country (one of whom was actually bought by pharma company in India) to increase profits of both private companies is "state financed suicide and not at all a free market mechanism". It sounds exactly like laissez faire capitalism exploitation due to bypass of state regulation.
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- jachee 9y ago
  > Why does it need to? I'm sure you'd rather your romaine not come with a free side of E. coli. If the majority of the food supply is tainted, your choices from within it doesn't affect the rest.