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I think everyone seeks loopholes. And certainly all businesses are seeking as many loopholes as possible. And as long as politicians are either business people

by jjuel 9y ago

I think everyone seeks loopholes. And certainly all businesses are seeking as many loopholes as possible. And as long as politicians are either business people or bought by business people the loopholes will exist. And we will be paying for those businesses in one way or another.

jessaustin 9y ago
The word "loophole" itself encodes a sort of prejudice into our language, much like the phrase "automobile accident" instead of the more neutral "automobile collision". If by "loophole" one means a legislative mistake that catches legislators and lobbyists by surprise with its unintended consequences, then it denotes something that has never actually existed. People work for hundreds of hours on legislative terms, and other people pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to get those terms in front of the legislature for a vote. We need another word, that encapsulates the whole concept of a benefit that big business has created for itself via corruption.
- 0xfeba 9y ago
  > If by "loophole" one means a legislative mistake that catches legislators and lobbyists by surprise with its unintended consequences, then it denotes something that has never actually existed. Yeah, no, it happens all the time. Church of Satan uses Religious Freedom law against anti-abortion legislation. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/25/satanists-say-missouris-abortion-law-violates-their-religious-beliefs.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/25/satanists-say-missouris-abor...
  - jessaustin 9y ago
    Try again; your example is terrible. There is no "loophole" discussed at that link. According to that link, the "Satanists" claim that a particular law has been misinterpreted by abortion clinics, and that the law conflicts with 1A religious rights. The only way this could be related to a loophole would be if somehow the law gave some parties additional benefits they didn't have without the law, perhaps after modification to meet 1A requirements. The whole purpose of the law is to make obtaining an abortion more onerous, so who could possibly be getting such a benefit? The Bill of Rights has invalidated or modified laws in hundreds of legal cases. In none of those cases has it been considered the action of a loophole.

by jjuel 9y ago

jessaustin 9y ago

The word "loophole" itself encodes a sort of prejudice into our language, much like the phrase "automobile accident" instead of the more neutral "automobile collision". If by "loophole" one means a legislative mistake that catches legislators and lobbyists by surprise with its unintended consequences, then it denotes something that has never actually existed. People work for hundreds of hours on legislative terms, and other people pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to get those terms in front of the legislature for a vote. We need another word, that encapsulates the whole concept of a benefit that big business has created for itself via corruption.

0xfeba 9y ago
> If by "loophole" one means a legislative mistake that catches legislators and lobbyists by surprise with its unintended consequences, then it denotes something that has never actually existed. Yeah, no, it happens all the time. Church of Satan uses Religious Freedom law against anti-abortion legislation. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/25/satanists-say-missouris-abortion-law-violates-their-religious-beliefs.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/25/satanists-say-missouris-abor...
- jessaustin 9y ago
  Try again; your example is terrible. There is no "loophole" discussed at that link. According to that link, the "Satanists" claim that a particular law has been misinterpreted by abortion clinics, and that the law conflicts with 1A religious rights. The only way this could be related to a loophole would be if somehow the law gave some parties additional benefits they didn't have without the law, perhaps after modification to meet 1A requirements. The whole purpose of the law is to make obtaining an abortion more onerous, so who could possibly be getting such a benefit? The Bill of Rights has invalidated or modified laws in hundreds of legal cases. In none of those cases has it been considered the action of a loophole.