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For some reason it really bothers me that there's no pejorative for a person who spouts Scientism, eg that one Facebook friend who constantly posts euphoric Ath

by hnzix 9y ago

For some reason it really bothers me that there's no pejorative for a person who spouts Scientism, eg that one Facebook friend who constantly posts euphoric Atheist memes taglined 'SCIENCE!' I humbly propose "tizzer".

austinjp 9y ago
I'm irrationally irritated by people wearing t-shirts with slogans such as "Stand back, I'm going to try SCIENCE". It makes me think of the kid who stands behind the school bully, egging them on, enjoying jeering at the person who happens to be on the wrong side of the power balance but not capable of doing the ugly business themselves. Maybe some of these people are genuine scientists. Although none of the scientists I work with dress like that.
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- Chris2048 9y ago
  Why does it conjure up a "bully" scenario though? Who does science bully? The "power balance" of willful ignorance? Who gets on "the wrong side" of science without promoting a position they are incapable of verifying?
  - austinjp 9y ago
    Really? Go to any science-related forum. Anybody who demonstrates ignorance risks ridicule and vitriol. > willful ignorance? Who gets on "the wrong side" of science without promoting a position they are incapable of verifying? This smacks strongly of "stop hitting yourself". What constitutes bullying is in the eye of the victim, not the perpetrator.
    - Chris2048 9y ago
      > What constitutes bullying is in the eye of the victim So anyone has a right to feel opressed? Smacks of privalige.. You want vitriol? Try being on the wrong side of religion.
      - austinjp 9y ago
        Nobody mentioned the "right to feel oppressed", that's an odd strawman. The point is quite straightforward, not controversial: If you listen only to the bully you clearly won't hear the victim's story. If you refuse to consider that a person who says they are a victim of bullying is indeed a victim of bullying then you perpetuate the silencing of that person, and enable the bully. I doubt you'd disagree? Do we disagree on whether proponents of science can be bullies? It would seem remarkable if they were immune. Comparing science vs religion to determine who is worse regarding vitriol is a complete waste of time, and another strawman.
        Chris2048 9y ago
        > Nobody mentioned the "right to feel oppressed" You said "What constitutes bullying is in the eye of the victim". So anyone can decide that they are a victim. > Do we disagree on whether proponents of science can be bullies? Thus is a actual straw Man. How does this relate to a kid wearing a slogan t-shirt? > Comparing science vs religion to determine who is worse regarding vitriol is a complete waste of time, and another strawman. No it isn't; you are the one who talked about vitriol, and balances of power; Just because you don't like a point, doesn't make it a "strawman".
tlb 9y ago
I assume theologians feel the same way about people spouting theories of What Jesus Would Do. By analogy with Astronomer/Astrologist, real scientists should call themselves Scienters, and fake ones Scientologists. But that name is taken.

by hnzix 9y ago

austinjp 9y ago

I'm irrationally irritated by people wearing t-shirts with slogans such as "Stand back, I'm going to try SCIENCE". It makes me think of the kid who stands behind the school bully, egging them on, enjoying jeering at the person who happens to be on the wrong side of the power balance but not capable of doing the ugly business themselves. Maybe some of these people are genuine scientists. Although none of the scientists I work with dress like that.

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Chris2048 9y ago
Why does it conjure up a "bully" scenario though? Who does science bully? The "power balance" of willful ignorance? Who gets on "the wrong side" of science without promoting a position they are incapable of verifying?
- austinjp 9y ago
  Really? Go to any science-related forum. Anybody who demonstrates ignorance risks ridicule and vitriol. > willful ignorance? Who gets on "the wrong side" of science without promoting a position they are incapable of verifying? This smacks strongly of "stop hitting yourself". What constitutes bullying is in the eye of the victim, not the perpetrator.
  - Chris2048 9y ago
    > What constitutes bullying is in the eye of the victim So anyone has a right to feel opressed? Smacks of privalige.. You want vitriol? Try being on the wrong side of religion.
    - austinjp 9y ago
      Nobody mentioned the "right to feel oppressed", that's an odd strawman. The point is quite straightforward, not controversial: If you listen only to the bully you clearly won't hear the victim's story. If you refuse to consider that a person who says they are a victim of bullying is indeed a victim of bullying then you perpetuate the silencing of that person, and enable the bully. I doubt you'd disagree? Do we disagree on whether proponents of science can be bullies? It would seem remarkable if they were immune. Comparing science vs religion to determine who is worse regarding vitriol is a complete waste of time, and another strawman.
      - Chris2048 9y ago
        > Nobody mentioned the "right to feel oppressed" You said "What constitutes bullying is in the eye of the victim". So anyone can decide that they are a victim. > Do we disagree on whether proponents of science can be bullies? Thus is a actual straw Man. How does this relate to a kid wearing a slogan t-shirt? > Comparing science vs religion to determine who is worse regarding vitriol is a complete waste of time, and another strawman. No it isn't; you are the one who talked about vitriol, and balances of power; Just because you don't like a point, doesn't make it a "strawman".

tlb 9y ago

I assume theologians feel the same way about people spouting theories of What Jesus Would Do. By analogy with Astronomer/Astrologist, real scientists should call themselves Scienters, and fake ones Scientologists. But that name is taken.