> I've seen this attitude from people who didn't want to use ansible/chef/puppet because their shell scripts were "good enough". That attitude is also quite my

> I've seen this attitude from people who didn't want to use ansible/chef/puppet because their shell scripts were "good enough". That attitude is also quite myopic. Not to condescend, but if one isn't working on cloud-native apps in federated environments then maybe maybe maybe one should be intellectually humble enough to allow that there are some challenges people face that make "good enough" a non-starter, prohibitively expensive, or require direct competition with AWS/MS/Google in their core competencies. Everything is a spectrum. Serious work can be done on a single server with no backups... Shell scripts can carry serious work far... Ansible or Docker Swarm rock for what they are... but the multi-cloud orchestration platform we're discussing rocks a oodles of things those solutions aren't.